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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 79 points 1 year ago (6 children)

anti-Israel ≠ anti-semitic

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While the statement itself is true, it ignores the fact that there has been an uptick in violent antisemitism and islamophobia.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There has been an uptick in violence against groups that the far right Christian white demographic target regularly.

That's not just limited to semites or muslims.

[–] Occamsrazer@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe, but the only reason this is notable is because of an uptick that is from the literal opposite of Christian right wing.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is true, however there are people who don't like Israel and blame all Jews for what Israel does.

I'm an American Jew. I don't like much of what Israel does. Guess what, though. I can't change Israel's actions. I can speak up, but I have the same say as any other American. It's not like Israel is going to say "this random American Jew said to stop so we've got to stop doing this."

Unfortunately, there are people who seem to think that all Jews are valid targets for anti-Israel sentiment. I've seen people spray painting/vandalizing buildings because they are Jewish temples, businesses, or homes. I've seen people online justify this by claiming that every Jew is a representation of Israel and thus a valid target. I've seen people cheering on Hamas' attack and slaughter of innocents and hoping that more Jews get killed worldwide.

And before anyone comments: No, I don't think Israel killing innocent Palestinians is good. That's one of those things I'd change, but have no power to really affect. I could speak up more with the Palestinian Rights folks, but if people in that crowd are calling for Jews to be killed, do you really think I'm comfortable joining that crowd?

So you can criticize Israel and be fine, but if your "criticism of Israel" is "all Jews need to be held responsible for what Israel has done and should be killed," then you're definitely anti-semitic. (I'm using the generic "you" here.)

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Israel is like ISIS. They're hiding their crimes behind a religion while simultaneously not following the religion whatsoever.

Suggesting that israel is Jewish is extremely anti-semitic, but our media will gladly destroy the Jewish name to further their imperialist cause.

[–] 257m@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Generalization is big issue. Whether its generalizing all Jews as Zionists or all Muslims as terrorists. I blame lack interactions between cultures. Talking to other cultures helps you realize we are all the same at the end of the day. We need to realize most people don't want to inflict suffering and are not your enemy.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but I’ve been seeing a fair number of people commenting in a way that shows they don’t know that, and are conflating Israel with all Jewish people everywhere.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some of that is intentional, it's not new for pro-isreal lobby groups to smack the "antisemitic" label on any public figure who speaks out against the government of Israel, been going on for years.

Obviously actual nazis and antisemitic people suck and should be called out for their bullshit, but the powers that be have also made the problem worse by inaccurately throwing the label on people.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True. There’s also the Zionist push to link Israel with all Jewish people, whether the Jewish people in question want it or not.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yup, it works as a shield for any criticism for them.

[–] Harpsist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Amen to that brother.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They are deliberately conflating it so that people stay quiet about the genocide.

[–] kleenbhole@lemy.lol -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think the FBI doesn't know that?

Really?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah that's why this article is here... Not sure where you're going with this.

[–] kleenbhole@lemy.lol -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm saying that to point out the fact that anti-israeli sentiments aren't inherently antisemitic is superfluous, and not implied by the article or the FBI's director.

BUT, any time Israel is in the news for anything it brings out anti-semitism. Israeli conflicts act as a proxy war for regional and global powers, and both organic and deliberate antisemitic propaganda is ramping up.