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Besides the obvious fact these trucks are too huge for European roads and parking spaces, America vehicles are simply hot garbage.
The Japanese and Korean vehicles for the American market aren't any better to be fair.
the "newest" car i've ever owned is from 2008... are hondas and toyotas really equally as shitty as fucking dodge and chevy now?
Toyota, particularly, hasn’t kept up with advances in infotainment technology. Their infotainment is literally no better than it was in 08. Honda infotainment is slightly better, but still stuck with terribly low resolution, and only a 9”ish screen. Pretty much any other company will be a better buy than those 2 right now. Remember, the infotainment in every new car is the entire heart of the car, so you’re forced to live with it; you can’t just swap out infotainment screens for something better like you used to be able to do.
9 inch infotainment is plenty. The purpose of a car is to travel, not watch SpongeBob Squarepants.
Infotainment replacements are out there, but often lack support for some specific vehicle options. If the connections were more standardized like the old radios it would certainly be nice.
Silly me, thinking that the engine would be the heart of a car.
People today have no idea what engine they even have. They care more about the screen size in the interior.
Modern humans 🙄
What would you even need that for?
The engine is a part of the legs in this analogy
lol "heart of the car" gtfo
rear view cameras are nice (though unnecessary), but literally NOTHING else about "infotainment" is worth the extra cost. you think it is because you've been convinced you just simply can't survive without it, and cars can't even exist without it. why? because $$$
fuck outta my face with that shit
so, my takeaway from all this is that toyota is still the best way to go if you for some reason just have to buy a "infotainment" car
Maps/navigation is the one feature that infotainment systems have that is a step up and worth a small amount of cost.
Cell phone mount would work just fine...
It will be instantly outdated.
The phone you use is going to be a far better method of navigation. Cars need a dumb screen that connects to your phone and displays the map, problem solved. Although id take all screens out of cars but kids today need a screen or they freak out I guess.
What options are there that don't have infotainment garbage without buying something that's 10 years old?
I will not buy a car without a 15” screen. I just cannot read directions as fast on any smaller screen. The bigger the information on the screen, the faster I can read it, and the less precision I need with my gaze.
I hate infotainment and technology in cars so, go Toyota!
Give me efi and maybe abs (most of my cars dont have abs anyway)
Tech Junk makes all cars more expensive and prone to failure and impossible to repair, and further pushes us to technofacist dystopia where your every move is recorded and your car can be controlled remotely (Tesla can do this already).
Do people actually want infotainment screens?
The only thing I can think of wanting a screen for is a backup camera. I much prefer buttons when possible. I thought infotainment screens were just a way for manufacturers to save money on buttons. Why would you want one? Is there something I'm missing?
How do you like to get to new places? Turn by turn audio? That mixed with on-screen directions?
If you like on screen, what is the ideal screen size?
12” widescreen is basically my minimum; >15” is ideal. I’d put a 24” in my car if I could.
Like a driving simulator :D
@brbposting @Taldan Reading a paper map and looking up directions before you drive and then remembering them are critical skills that should be on driving tests.
Agreed.
Having a maps app that shows directions and current position is pretty handy in new areas, especially if there is construction or heavy traffic to avoid.
Makes me feel better doing that!
Still have to check traffic even for short trips since I refuse to waste half an hour in a jam when looking for green/red roads would’ve taken seconds :) then appreciate traffic notifications along the way
Admittedly don’t do it with paper but have enjoyed learning roads - even played a game kinda, work to home (San Francisco) where I turned right on red for each red I got, forcing me to explore new places (no GPS)
The bigger the screen for me, the safer it is to gaze over at directions. I wouldn’t drive without directions telling me which way is fastest. No way can a human predict traffic better than computers.
The cameras might not be “required” to drive, but they do increase precision, which in turn is safer overall.
Also, the last thing I wanna do is know my area super well, then it takes the excitement out of driving around; the engagement is helpful to keep me from being distracted.
If cars were designed so you actually had visibility, you wouldn't Need 500 cameras just to reverse.
This is why 2000s was peak. You had most creature comforts, and tech wasn't shoved in our faces, and you could actually see out of your car.
Cameras allow you to see 360° all at the same time, though.
Sure, but not in snow or rain, and they break.
I prefer just turning my head!