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point being that the extra vitamins are harmless and at worst they are sometimes harder to absorb, which still means more vitamin in the body compared with non fortified. it's a genuine good thing. preservatives are objectively bad and only benefit logistics and profits. also given the severity of the diseases (often untreatable) they prevent, dismissing them is cruel. yhea, all food should be more nutritious, but having a staple food that prevents horrible diseases? that's a blessing. similar thing with water fluoridation, but that's another topic.
moved to the states a year ago. not sure what you mean by "euro rustic style", I'll in Michigan and all they have is American sweet bread and sourdough. never tried Japanese milk bread.
I think we're talking past each other on your first paragraph. Sure, extra vitamins aren't hurting, but they're mostly not absorbed well by the body, so effectively mostly useless. Point is that overall, ruining a food and then trying to add back vitamins isn't very smart. Specifically-- naturally-occurring folate (the equivalent of artificial folic acid) is found in dozens of foods, such as leafy greens, legumes, Brassica and other veggies, various fruit, nuts, seeds, and eggs. So if you need white-flour products to get your synthetic folic acid, you're probably eating an absolutely abysmal diet in the first place, which is the actual problem.
Rustic bread also goes by names such as "hearth bread" or "artisan bread." It tends to have a crispy crust and softer, chewy interior. Oftentimes it's also loaded with whole grains and various seeds. "European bread" IME is generally interchangeable. Sometimes you can find stuff like this in the frozen section of supermarkets that you bake up to finish. Sometimes in specialty shops. I'm sure it's available plenty of places in Michigan state.
Chemistry note, Folic acid and folate are the same thing. one specifies it's purified state where the acid has its H+, and the other one when it's dissolved and the H+ is wondering around. it isn't because one is natural and another is artificial, they are the same thing.
About abysmal diets, that is also a problem, but even with good food available, there are people who only eat a handful of safe food and them having sex and getting a baby with severe neutral development malformations is a bit cruel.
yhea, make better bread, yes make better doeta overall. but taking vitamins out is dangerous.
Oh, okay. I'll take your word for it, as it's been a long time since I took college chemistry, and was never the sharpest, anyway.
TBC, I don't think at any point I argued for removing the enriching process of processed white flour. You've brought that up several times, calling it "cruel," but it's a straw man, far as I can tell. Please stop.
There really is no scenario in human history or global locale in which that wouldn't be a disastrous situation. Artificial vitamins or not, you're going to develop health problems of one variety or another eating an abysmal, poorly-informed diet.
sorry then, if I inferred you wanted them out, resulting in me arguing like an idiot against someone who isn't disagreeing.
yhea, it's advisable that those people eat more stuff, or at least take supplements. I'm not advocating for eating only a few items, it's just unhealthy. probably as bad as eating only junk food.
by the end of the day, we both just want better quality food.