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US military to stop shooting live animals to train medics for the battlefield (www.theguardian.com)

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The US military will stop its practice of shooting pigs and goats to help prepare medics for treating wounded troops in a combat zone, ending an exercise made obsolete by simulators that mimic battlefield injuries.

The prohibition on “live fire” training that includes animals is part of this year’s annual defense bill, although other uses of animals for wartime training will continue. The ban was championed by Vern Buchanan, a Republican congressman from Florida who often focuses on animal rights issues.

Buchanan’s office said the defense department will continue to allow training that involves stabbing, burning and using blunt instruments on animals, while also allowing “weapon wounding”, which is when the military tests weapons on animals. Animal rights groups say the animals are supposed to be anesthetized during such training and testing.

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[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ER doctors and surgeons have the privilege of being able to watch live surgeries during training, and doing their first live surgeries with safe supervision. The first time a field medic is trying to save a life in a live situation, it's rather likely that they don't have any supervisor on hand, and that someone is actively trying to kill them.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't a future field medic be able to do time in emergency rooms where they are almost certain to see a variety of injuries that would compare to many types of battlefield injuries?

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, that would absolutely be great!

However, it's worth noting that the common field medic is a far less qualified surgeon/doctor than the typical doctor in training that's doing surgery at an ER under supervision. A field medics job is to pack wounds, apply chest seals, and do other critical life-saving work, while possibly under fire, so that the wounded survive until they get to a place where actual ER doctors can treat them.

As such, you need to give them some form of live training at doing those things, without requiring the resources it would take to train them to a point where it's responsible to let them work on civilians at an ER under supervision. Basically, field medics work in the interim where you definitely need them in the field (significantly more qualified at saving lives than the common soldier), while you very likely don't want them working on civilians in an ER (significantly less qualified than actual trauma surgeons).

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 20 hours ago

But they can still observe, and you can put them on a messy dummy in a stressful environment and have them apply a tourniquet and seal a sucking chest wound. You can also do that on a live, writhing non-injured person (but don't actually apply the tq to them please).