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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 195 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

The argument that apes have never asked a question "is a classic example of overstatement," said Heidi Lyn, a professor at the University of South Alabama's Comparative Cognition and Communication Lab at the Department of Psychology and Marine Science.

"There is plenty of evidence of apes asking questions, although the structure may not look exactly like humans asking questions," Lyn explained.

https://www.snopes.com/articles/467842/apes-questions-communicate/

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 107 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If a chimpanzee looks its handler in the eyes and points to a banana, it may be interpreted that the ape is asking to have the banana. This, Hobaiter said, shows apes are capable of asking questions.

Obviously not in the spirit of the question. No curiosity, no attempt to learn about what's going on around them. The article has no examples of real questions, so to me I'd say the meme rings true.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Yeah, when my cat meows, it is “asking” for snacks. But it’s not inquiring about snacks, or curious about where the snacks come from or why cats enjoy snacking so much.

Granted, many humans don’t ask such questions either, but that’s because intellectual acuity is on a spectrum also occupied by non-human animals, at least in the realm of being an incurious dumbass.

[–] fascicle@leminal.space 43 points 2 weeks ago

How do you know your cat isnt curious, is it survival bias. All the curious cats died

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Cats don’t need to ask questions about the world because they are scientists and will figure it out for themselves if they don’t get shown the answers. They know where the snacks come from, at least in regards to their own world, that’s why they come running when they hear the package.

They knock stuff over to see what happens. They meow for treats to see what happens. They sit on your face to wake you up to see what happens. They get into things just to see what’s in them.

And when the result is something they want, they try it again to see if the result is consistent. Reproducible.

That’s why the best way to get a cat to stop doing something they do to you is to ignore them. They meow to wake you up for food? They do that because it’s been working. Stop responding, and the behavior will also stop.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What you are doing is anthropomorphizing an animal's behavior and ascribing intent behind the action without having any substantial basis for that claim.

Cats are intelligent, yes, but what you have described is completely devoid of any understanding of animal behavior or psychology.

Well of course he is. He’s not a cat.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s not that cats can’t ask questions. It’s that they can’t ask abstract questions. That’s quite different.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

They can, but they don't know how to dumb it down enough for their minions to understand.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My cat has asked where my wife is. She has a very specific meow for each of us that she uses when she's looking for us. One day while my wife was at work, cat meowed for my wife. Told the cat she'd be home on a couple hours. Cat curled up by the window, satisfied. Next time it happened, I teased her and tried to play with her. She kept wandering around the house looking for my wife until I told her she was at work. Smart little bastard.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your cat's breath smells like cat food.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

There's your "Loading screen game tip" for today lol.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think there are several separate cognitive abilities needed to ask questions. Curiosity (which is very common), complex communication (much less common), and advanced theory of mind (exists on a spectrum, you need not only awareness of your own mental state, or metacognition, but awareness that others have a mental state that is distinct from your own. Humans actually develop this ability slowly throughout childhood, and it goes through stages). Though there are other species with similar traits, it might well be the case that humans are the only living species in possession of all of them simultaneously.

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[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

asking to have the banana

Yeah that's just a quirk of the English language in that "ask" means both inquiring, trying to learn information from a response, and request, a communication to another that the "asker" wants something.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's crazy. You think monkeys aren't curious about the world around them?

They just don't look to humans for answers, they look to humans for treats

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

Well, curiosity comes in different stripes. Investigating your environment is one thing. Asking second-order questions is another.

“May I have food?” vs “Why am I here?” and “What is the nature of consciousness?”

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

"Why are we here?"

"One of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why are we here? I mean, are we the product of some cosmic coincidence? Or is there really a God, watching everything? You know, with a plan for us and stuff? I don't know man, but it keeps me up at night."

"What? I mean why are we here, in this box canyon in the middle of nowhere?"

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

Oh man, RvB reference in the wild after all these years. Warms my heart.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

if you wake up in a compound, catered to your every need by weird alien captors, “why am I here?” is a pretty obvious question.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You ask the aliens why you are there, meaning the cell they imprisoned you, and they tell you how their species created humans and what humans purpose is. You immediately go catatonic by the revelation.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The information that aliens created us for some particular purpose is empirically interesting but normatively insignificant.

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

To be fair a lot of people don't ask the latter questions either

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have no idea if they're curious about the world around them. But that's also not the question at hand.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is the question at hand. It's a question about the mental process of animals

The question isn't are they curious - we know they are. The question is why they don't ask humans questions when you teach them how to speak

The answer is - it's because you're not speaking gorilla, the gorilla is learning a foreign language, which it learned by being motivated by food.

Animal languages have a different grammar to human languages. When they ask questions, they often do it by making statements to be agreed with or corrected. They might even disagree, and assert the statement again in reply

You have to meet animals halfway... Well, really like 10% of the way since they're the ones learning to speak to us in our languages

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These people aruginf against the intelligence of animals would fit right in with people who encounter savages on their voyages.

That label was based on cultural differences and these fools are too ignorant to see they are making the same mistake across the difference in species.

It's quite fascinating. Maybe if we give them treats they can be trained to recognize their superiority only exists in their mushy little brains.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

By that standard, my dog is as smart as a gorilla

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Hi, it's me, your dog, woof woof.

I have transcended the limits of my species and have learned to type utter doggerel into the glowing rectangle woof woof

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also

apes have never asked one question

WE ARE APES. We ask questions all the time.

[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, sir. The reference desk is right over there. But you'd know that, being the Librarian, right?

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What did you say?!

[–] tyler@programming.dev 16 points 2 weeks ago

I’m pretty confident most scientists studying animals have stated that apes have never asked a question. It’s pretty clear on record that only two ever have, both African Grey parrots.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah, the moment I read that, I thought it sounded like bullshit. I doubt there's a database of every sign language interaction with apes that proves that no ape has ever asked a question.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 8 points 2 weeks ago

And yet the scientists that did those studies stated that the animals never asked a question. Those are all other researchers claiming after the fact that questions were asked.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

This right here. Humans assume so much based on their experiences and interpretations. It's infuriating the assumptions we make. "That turtle just eats, sleeps and shits! It's clearly not intelligent! It's never read The Hunger Games!" goes back to working to afford a place to eat, sleep and shit while also subjugating others, inciting wars, destroying the planet and reading The Hunger Games