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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why does it matter that the jet deal predates Trump. Americans cancelled a whole bunch of deals, why is it that Canada can't reciprocate. He's very obviously not working to separate us from the US in any meaningful way. It's going to take effort like investing in domestic economy instead of trying to ramp up NATO spending to 5% of GDP while doing austerity. The lengths liberals will go to defend the incompetence of their party truly knows no bounds.

[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why does it matter that the jet deal predates Trump. Americans cancelled a whole bunch of deals, why is it that Canada can't reciprocate

Because other countries need to know we keep our word.

He's very obviously not working to separate us from the US in any meaningful way.

Examples? Pipeline to the Pacific and opening trade up with Europe suggests otherwise.

It's going to take effort like investing in domestic economy instead of trying to ramp up NATO spending to 5% of GDP while doing austerity.

Where do you think most of that money is going to be spent? In Canada.

The lengths liberals will go to defend the incompetence of their party truly knows no bounds.

I'm no partisan, but I do think he was the best of the options available to us.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because other countries need to know we keep our word.

That's complete nonsense. First of all, I don't know who these countries are. Second of all, all they learn is that Canada will bend over under pressure. This is not an arbitrary reneging on a deal, it's a response to aggression by the other country. If you made a deal with somebody and they later came to your house to try to rob you, nobody would fault you for pulling out of doing deals with them. You really got a get a better narrative going there.

Examples? Pipeline to the Pacific and opening trade up with Europe suggests otherwise.

Ramming pipelines through indigenous land in a middle of the climate crisis while doubling down on trade with Europe where economies are now collapsing is not the kind of development that I'm looking for. As I already stated, I want to see development of Canadian industry, clean energy, infrastructure, housing, and healthcare. He's doing none of that.

Where do you think most of that money is going to be spent? In Canada.

The actual question is WHAT that money will be spent on. Unlike you, I don't care about Canadian oligarchs stuffing their coffers.

I’m no partisan, but I do think he was the best of the options available to us.

That's a thought terminating cliche. Claiming you have to choose between two evils and there is absolutely nothing else people could be doing is precisely the sort of idiocy that got us where we are today. People could be protesting, organizing unions, doing general strikes, and taking real political action that affects business interests. Their profits going down is the only language they understand. Instead, we have people like you braying how we just have to vote harder.

[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You've moved the goalposts so far you're in a different field. Nothing you've said, if we accept it as accurate, makes him an "America loving traitor".

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

I didn't move any goal posts at all. I've repeatedly stated the exact same position here that the actions Carney is taking are not helping make Canada less dependent on the US, and make it self sufficient. Also, nowhere did I talk about him being “America loving traitor.” That's just a straw man you're building with your reddit style debate bro tactics. What I actually pointed out was that his actions aren't helping make Canada sovereign.