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I know several people whose lives were entirely wrecked by opiates. This is a dangerous fucking pack of lies that should get you banned for spreading. This is several times worse than spreading anti vaxx rhetoric.
I know multiple functional addicts. I know way more non functional addicts, but it's not as black and white as you want it to be.
I could also possibly live years of my life walking in the middle of streets with fast driving cars. But it still would be an absolute fact that it's a senseless risk to take
They shouldn't be handed out like candy, as they did in the USA.
I'm with you on that.
Still doesn't make my stuff a lie, especially what I said about myself
It's a lie to suggest opiates aren't dangerous and any issue with them should be blamed on anyone else involved. They are incredibly dangerous. It's absurd I have to even say that.
I didn't say that
They are dangerous, but they are also commonly used in medical situations - like pretty much any surgery
Why isn't everyone becoming a junkie?
In my personal experience, everyone having trouble of getting rid of an opiate addiction, tried to mask some other problems with it.
The drug itself can't be really blamed, because it's not jumping into your mouth.
People put it there.
So, why do they do it?
Because firstly, not everyone has access to those drugs, and secondly, anti-drug messaging has been somewhat effective. Ask 50 random people if heroin should be legal, probably 48-49 say no.
This is victim blaming, even worse than before. Fucking yikes.
There definitely are people really susceptible to addiction and decided to try it once and never stopped. Because there are a lot of mixed messages in the world about drugs. Many movies and musical acts romanticize drug abuse. Also, life is hard, people are looking for an escape. The last thing we need is people spreading the message that heroin "isn't that bad". Young kids are sometimes on this platform and are susceptible to a toxic message like that.
You make it seem like I'm a tee-totaller or something and I'm not. I'm just against the message that hard drugs "aren't that bad". It's harmful. Less people should try highly addictive drugs, not more. Just because some people can "handle it" doesn't mean it's a good idea to promote.
By now I'm not sure, if you don't want to understand what I'm trying to say, *or if I hit a nerve - which I didn't intend to do.
~~I'm got education so people can finally be self responsible and I just don't see this as a bad thing. ~~ I have no clue, what the original idea of sentence structure was, but here what I meant: If education would be good, we could give people more self responsibility - and that's what I would really like to see (adding: because then people won't long for a leader) Blaming a drug alone keeps this shit happening, as it's missing my main point, that this is a social problem, not a drug problem.
If you get rid of all opiates, people with problems will drink - and a withdrawal from alcohol can by deadly on its own, while one from opiates isn't.
But this isn't about a competition of drugs, this is about the social problem, where we don't treat people with problems or give them a way to deal with it
We're all just one fuck up away of losing our home.
Of course people turn to drugs, to deal with their shit, as they don't see another way out.
You have to give everyone some fucking perspective and some options, else it's just hopeless.
And of course, this isn't the only problem, where people turn to drugs.
We also use drugs medically, but some people try to self medicate and get into problems.
I just don't see how we can solve this by blaming a drug, when the problem is in a complete different department
Edit: just saw some auto correct mistake
Edit 2: seems I had a stroke
You left an edit that basically blamed people for their mental problems, in service of defending the most dangerously addictive drug maybe to ever exist.
That was not what I meant to do
I'm not blaming anyone.
I'm just saying we should focus more on mental health problems, than punishing drug crimes - because drugs aren't the problem, but how we as a society handle people with problems
I thought, I made that clear enough with the "trying to function" part
There is nothing about acknowledging the dangers of highly addictive substances which says we should punish their users. You definitely shifted blame off the substance itself. Which is quite odd to me, unless your goal is to encourage people to use those drugs.
And let's maybe try again:
I think, we're having a social problem.
Just like guns can't be freely distributed in our current society, drugs shouldn't be as well.
But it's a social problem. A gun doesn't kill someone, a drug doesn't forcefully inject itself into you.
They are things, they can't be blamed.
We need to work on the social problems, that give us gun violence and drug problems.
But we should start by taking responsibility.
Drug land isn't Disney land, where nothing can hurt you.
Edit: that's why I think education is so important, and everywhere we're cutting it down and blame stuff instead
So then you retract your statements that make it seem like opiates are something one can safely experiment with. Good.
I never retracted anything, I just made myself clear (again), that the problem is a social one and you can't just blame stuff like drugs
I just can't stand the argument, that drugs are the whole problem - because it leads to even more social problems and can be used as an excuse for war by a government
I didn't want to get personal, but you told me I'm lying, while I just said what my experience was - and if at least 2 dozens others I know.
There are also people who had problems with opiates, speed, coke, alcohol etc
But all of those tried to keep their social role up with the help of substances. And I personally struggled sometimes as well, as it's an easy relief (for some honeymoon phase). But I couldn't stand being dependant on something and so never really developed that exact problem.
I was always aware, that I'm trying to cope with something and that is my actual problem.
That was my sole critic
Well hopefully mods do their job and remove your comments. I'm done here with the pretending we're having a nuanced conversation about societal problems which you didn't bring up at all until you had your back against a wall.
Yeah, because I'm thinking, that the root problem should be the focus instead of blaming a symptom...
"it's true that a lot of people can handle heroin" is the only message you have successfully sent. All the rest of that won't be read, and even if it is, it's still not as insightful as you seem to think.
Some kid might destroy their life because of what you wrote. You're not only unconcerned with that, you think you've somehow been helpful. 🤮
Nice to puke on anothers experience just because it doesn't match with your opinion
I didn't say that a lot of people can handle it now, because we are facing a social problem and we shouldn't distribute it freely
It's not my fault, when you don't read more than the first sentence
And now I'm fed up with this "discussion"
You don't want to hear another perspective anyway
Wish a good new year, hopefully we don't land in this situation again.
This isn't about me. It's about spreading ideas. If you haven't noticed, not every child reads for hours before drawing a conclusion about the world.
Of course, because a thing that can't act on its own is a very weird thing to blame.
People have some might over their decisions - at least in my understanding of a free will.
I can't blame something. I can blame a doctor who didn't tell me everything or a dealer lying to me, but I can't blame a substance