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Tiered pricing is EVERYWHERE now. In supermarkets, if you don't have their app/loyalty card you have to pay higher prices. They frame it as a "discount" or "savings" for having the app, but clearly it's just a punishment for not giving them your info and allowing them to track/advertise at you.

In restaurants/fast food places, you get "discounts" (i.e. regular prices) via the app/email list, and if you don't have the app or give them your email address you don't get the discount (read: you have to pay higher prices). And of course they can "tailor" personalised "deals" directly at you based on your past behaviour to optimise how much money they get out of you.

I just looked at a hotel and they're advertising a "discount" if you give them your email address (read: a higher price if you don't allow them to advertise at you).

I absolutely hate this behaviour. I know exactly why it's there: some people are willing to pay more for convenience/no ads, and some are willing to go to more effort / put up with ads for a lower price. Either way they get more money out of you: the logical conclusion of capitalism and chasing higher profits.

It feels like this should be illegal. It feels like a cousin of price gouging, which is already illegal. Ofc it never will be outlawed in america - idk how much this happens across the pond though - but I hope one day this could be outlawed in europe.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I live in Japan. The weak yen meant it was hard to afford traveling overseas even to see my family. Now, thanks to overtourism, it's hard to even travel domestically because hotels and places increase prices to get tourist money pricing locals out. In this context, I'm perfectly happy to have resident vs tourist tiered pricing. Some hotel prices have doubled.or even tripled compared to when I got here and my salary has certainly not made that same jump (and indeed my salary converted to USD is more like what I made 20+ years ago in the US).

Discounts for seniors (health copays here even drop with age), disabled, students, etc. make sense to me.

I am not a fan of loyalty-card-based discounts or anything like that.

Payment methods I get because the processors take a cut. I have a small business so I either punish people paying with cash by raising all prices or have other payment methods priced to offset the processor's cut (I sell produce from my tiny farm). I don't want to punish people paying in cash to support card payments. Cashless societies have a lot of dangers and punish those suffering from being unhoused and other issues, but that's a whole other story.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get wanting to fleece the tourists, the same logic pick pockets and other scammers use, but it seems misplaced. I seriously doubt most tourists are wealthy. You’re advocating tfor exploiting people who’ve saved up for that dream vacation in a faraway land

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think people being able to afford to go out to eat in their own neighborhoods or travel in their own country is more important. It's not some desire to "fleece tourists"; Japan is not your Disney world and its residents aren't actors.

Edit: no, autocorrect, I did no mean "it's" for the possessive

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Of course not. Yet they have a unique and valuable culture that others may wish to experience

As someone who lives in a city that’s a major tourist destination, I appreciate that our visitors learn more about us and the money they spend encourages development of more destinations that I also can appreciate

I don’t see how a visitor wanting to experience a cultures food takes anything away from its citizens, nor is it necessarily more expensive.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 14 hours ago

The problem is the locals get priced out. Capitalism gonna capitalism (and, less cynically, more workers = more labor costs are needed to meet demand), so prices will rise to get max profits and cover additional costs. Japan's wages have been stagnant for ages. Since corona, we got hit with huge inflation and price increases years in the making. Some employers have increased salaries, but others not. Basically no increases are keeping up with inflation for those who get it. This is even worse for those on fixed incomes.

What this means is that overtourism is causing a few things. One is that (often illegal) short-term rentals are being created and people are buying entire buildings, jacking up the rent, and forcing out tenants and increasing rents generally. This especially hurts the elderly and those on fixed incomes. People are also buying vacation houses which further reduces the housing stock and drives up prices where locals cannot compete with the deep pockets of those whom are not residents. These people get pushed out into more hellish commutes and into other areas, basically becoming second-class people in their own country. Some laws are being drafted to address this (and better enforcement of illegal short-term rentals is needed), but all the people who got screwed over aren't going to get anything out of this.

Restaurants also end up increasing prices that tourists can afford but locals cannot. Hotels are doing the same. People have to live further away from work, eat out less (or not at all), not go on vacations as much or at all due to hotel prices, etc. It's also resulted in hiring foreign-language staff whose salaries are more expensive in some cases. Tourists also get tax free shopping in some cases which means some of the money they spend isn't even helping deal with these issues. (I'm in favor of abolishing that tax free program, personally).

So, again, this isn't about fleecing any tourists. There are a number of problems caused by those whose currencies go a long way in Japan making life harder and more expensive for locals. Tiered pricing for tourists is one potential way to handle some aspects of this. Believe me, as a long-term (more than a decade and now holding permanent residency), this would still be annoying as we'd have to be presenting ID everywhere. It's further murky because many Japanese still don't even have a photo ID (though it's effectively becoming mandatory for at least adults now) so the implementation is quite annoying.

Further, the price on foreign resident administrative fees is being jacked up by wild amounts to be "in line with europe" with some of that money going to overtourism (note what I said about salaries above; the median annual salary in a lot of Japan is below 5 million yen which is around 30k USD as I write this). This is just idiotic policy in my mind, but it shows that the government is trying to shift the pain away from Japanese citizens)

This is also not a problem unique to Japan and many countries have faced it. Some of those countries did indeed decide on tiered pricing. Some use certain entry taxes. I'm sure there are other programs as well. My point is that overtourism is hurting residents in a number of ways and something needs to be done to address this; tourism should not make life unaffordable for the average resident (and, to be clear, I'm not talking luxury resorts or something here).