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Eu is doing okay tho trending downward, India is trending upward but not there yet. Uruguay doing okay. Brazil doing okay. Vietnam is trending up. Thailand is good. Australia is doing okay but trending downward. I'm not saying they're good just okay, but Better than China and US.
When you're trying to claim that "China bad" but then arguing that the fucking EU is good, your basically just admitting you're a western supremacist
As a European, I can promise you the the EU isn't good.
It's a neoliberal cult that purposefully keep its poor eastern members down for the benefit of its wealthy western members; continues to meddle in and exploit Africa by any means at their disposal, including coups, invasions, funding and arming of death-squads and assassinations, even decades after so called "decolonization"; cultivate an attitude of horrific and bloodthirsty racism among their population, especially against migrants despite being the cause of most mass migrations in the first place, in order to keep migrants miserable and their labor cheap; fund and arms a genocide as we speak; has purposefully let overt and covert neo-Nazi factions gain power in every of its member states; stabbed their own economy for the benefit of the US, multiple times; and so on and so forth.
On the scale of "badness" the EU is right behind the US, they're just more subtle and quiet about their evil than the US is.
The EU is imperialist though, and as the US Empire is falling they fall with it. China's better than both, as it isn't imperialist and instead is trending upwards. I agree with Vietnam, though, it's similar to China in that both are rising, both are socialist, and neither are imperialist.
You'll find all countries have engaged in imperialism in one way or another. China towards Tibet, Europe towards Africa, the US currently, well, everyone.
China is not socialist, either, it's state-capitalist with socialist rhetoric. China is also currently lacking in some social features, particularly full universal healthcare coverage and strong worker rights. Vietnam, however, is quite steady and making great strides. Here's hoping for more
China did not imperialize Tibet. The Mongols did.
See, the Mongols were a violent expansionist force. They occupied China and they occupied Tibet. The Chinese managed to expel the Mongols from China and rebuild their nation. Then in the early 1700, the Chinese expelled the Mongols from Tibet, freeing Tibet.
Because Tibet was unable to remain free if the Mongols would return, China established a permanent defensive military presence, establishing Tibet as a protectorate, but leaving it self-governed.
A century later the Europeans imperialized China, crushing it militarily, economically, and legally. As part of this, Tibet saw a rise in a monarchical theocracy enslaved 95% of Tibetan people, torturing and murdering them indiscriminately.
A few decades after China recovered, it returned to Tibet to free the Tibetan people from that monarchy and once against established Tibet as a self-governing independent protectorate, which it remains to this day.
In the last 400 years, I don't think that any meaningful number of countries in the world have ever recognized Tibet as an independent state, and outside of the brutal theocratic monarchy, I don't think the Tibetan people have ever sought to establish that they are an independent country.
China has not imperialized Tibet. Imperialism isn't simply influencing, engaging with, or annexing territory, it's a system of extraction on an international scale. Europe absolutely colonized Africa and currently imperializes it, and the US Empire as well, but the PLA liberating Tibet wasn't an act of imperialism.
Imperialism is characterized by the following:
-The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.
-The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.
-The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.
-The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.
-The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.
-The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.
The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours. This doesn't at all apply to the relation of the PRC to Tibet. Tibet was a feudal slave society backed by the CIA. The PLA liberated Tibet.
Two excerpts from Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth:
Selection two, shorter: (CW sexual violence and mutilation)
-Dr. Michael Parenti
Social programs aren't socialism. Socialism is a mode of production and distribution, where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Both Vietnam and China are socialist.
You're using Lenin's definition of imperialism. Lenin’s definition focuses on economic domination, not military or territorial control, so for the PRC’s invasion, which was "liberation," it’s better to use the modern definition of imperialism, which most people reading this will be doing anyway.
Tibet was also a serfdom, not a slave society, there is a distinct difference. Serfdom binds a person to land. Slavery treats them entirely as movable property. One is labour, one is chains. Calling it liberation is also extremely negligent and steeped in bias, the US military uses this excuse all the time, that they are liberators instead of imperialist forces.
But ultimately this all avoids the question of whether or not the Tibetan population wanted integration with China, that's the crucial part that makes it imperialist, the inability for the Tibetans to decide for themselves.
Which, again, you're making a false conflation. We've established that Europe is imperialist, yes. We've established that the US is imperialist, yes. But then you're including the PRC in an attempt to make it appear anti-imperialist -- Which it mostly wasn't. It's a very camp argument. Imperialism is imperialism, it doesn't matter who's doing it and for what reason.
Redsails is also not a good source, it's openly from an ML perspective, so it's not neutral, which you absolutely have to be when discussing history. It's also under no pretence to be academic or accurate either, Redsails is ideologically driven rather than factually driven - so it won't ever be critical of the ML perspective. You can use redsails to talk theory, absolutely, but not as a historical or factual source, it's dishonest.
China is also not entirely socialist, either, it’s state-capitalist with socialist rhetoric. They still have private property.
Your definition, which you call "modern," is neither modern nor useful. As you already said, by your chosen definition, all countries have "imperialized" others, but that doesn't explain the mechanisms of how some countries plunder vast resources from others, or how to stop this.
If we use the "influence" definition, then I don't think "influence" is a bad thing in all cases, while this form of international extraction is what we communists specifically take issue with and are arguing against. If you're trying to talk about a point I made using Lenin's analysis of imperialism, it doesn't make sense to try to change the definition to argue.
Tibet had serfs and slaves. Go back and read the excerpts I linked from Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth. Calling it liberation is accurate, as Tibet has been uplifted and life metrics are skyrocketing, slavery and serfdom abolished, and culture preserved. Tibet is not having its resources extracted or labor super-exploited by the PRC. The US Empire destroys the countries it "liberates," this is qualitatively different.
It isn't actually what makes it imperialist or not, but Tibetans are quite happy to be freed from slavery and serfdom.
You're changing the definition of imperialism to make your point. If your point is that imperialism is "influence," and Lenin's definition is "extractionism," then my point is that every country is "influence imperialist" and not all "influence imperialism" is a bad thing, but all "extractionist imperialism" is bad. It isn't camp, I oppose this brutal system of international extractionism, and you're dodging it by taking issue with me calling that imperialism and not agreeing that influence can be good.
Dr. Michael Parenti has well-sourced arguments and historical data. There's no such thing as a neutral historian. Red Sails is merely hosting Dr. Michael Parenti's work, which is both ideologically and factually driven. Dr. Michael Parenti is a Statesian historian, not really a theorist.
Socialism is not the absence of private property, just like capitalism is not the absence of public property. Socialism is a mode of production and distribution where public ownership is principle, ie governs the large firms and key industries. The US Empire is capitalist not because everything is private, but because private ownership dominates the large firms and key industries. No mode of production is "pure." From a Marxist perspective, it simply doesn't make sense to socialize the sole proprietorships and small industries, as the basis of socialist production is large scale industry, and to socialize the small firms as they grow. This is repeated by Marx and Engels.
Where are you getting your ideas of socialism from?
The way that I see it, imperialism is just a parasitic relationship that one capitalist country has with another country or region.
The Fascists’ relations with Somalia were imperialist because they were an overall gain for the Fascists but an overall loss for the Somalis.
The Republic of Cuba sending out numerous troops to defend the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela was a loss for the Republic of Cuba but a gain for the BRV, so it was not imperialist. (Quite the opposite, if anything.)
Admittedly, this is a somewhat crude and informal understanding of imperialism, but it should be easy enough to grasp for those who unwisely oversimplify imperialism to just countries doing stuff in other countries.
Yep, even that way of describing it, though less academic and in-depth than Lenin's, still gets far closer to the heart of the matter than those who, as you say, reduce it to "doing stuff."
How to not be imperialist: have ADHD and don't get stuff done.
ADHD is imperializing my time 🫠
Let's test that.
What influence has the US done that is good? What influence has the West done that is good?
The west assisting the USSR in defeating the Nazis is good influence, and "imperialist" according to your definition. Same with the Statesian north abolishing slavery in the Statesian south (similar to the PLA abolishing slavery and serfdom in Tibet). Western influence isn't overwhelmingly negative because it's western or influence, but because the west is "extractionary imperialist" and this influence nearly always is in service of that, such as kidnapping Maduro in order to steal Venezuela's oil.
If removing literal serfdom is not liberation then what the hell is "liberation"?
When all the exploiter monks gather their serfs together and ask them politely "do y'all want to be integrated with the PRC?", and then they do a vote and if 90% of the population votes yes, then they set up enclaves to test PRC rule but like, it's a free market of states where you can choose to get services from either the PRC or the feudal monks and basically over time the people will provide more money to the superior product and drive the feudal monks out of the government business?
There is no such thing as a neutral historian. Every human has things they know and things they don't even on topics they are experts in, every human has opinions on the things they know (or think they know) that will unavoidably taint what they say, even unconsciously, and therefore, everything written or said by a human is necessarily biased. And that's saying nothing of financial interests, politics and other things that bias things even further.
This is not avoidable, the most you can do is be aware of biases and work with/around them.
If an historian or a journalist tell you that their work is "neutral" or "unbiased", they are either lying to you or don't know how biases work, and in either case you should be very skeptical of them because they are clearly not doing their job correctly.
Are you the genocide denial person?