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Leopards Ate My Face

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I disagree with you.

Sure, let's accept they are indoctrinated. Their indoctrination is basically saying them that hurting others is a good thing as long as they are not from "the good group". And they get "hooked" on that?

Sorry mate, but I am one of those that, if I lived in her country would probably get hurt sooner than her (I'm autistic). If I lived in her country, Sharif would have voted to hurt me and the people like me. And she openly said she "got immediately hooked" on the idea.

Fuck Sharif, vigorously. Because it's on you if you want to be a piece of shit that gets indoctrinated by a "theory" that says, basically, "we'll hurt everyone that's not a MAGA".

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Their indoctrination is basically saying them that hurting others is a good thing as long as they are not from “the good group”.

They're raised to believe they are in a uniquely righteous and benevolent group, fighting a just war against tyrants.

And they have ever misfortune or injustice in their lives attributed to this evil outside force.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That might provide an explanation, but it's certainly not an excuse.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a consequence of US foreign policy not some individual moral failing

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No individual is that stupid. They're just evil bigots too cowardly to even put their bigotry on their own conscience so they seek other bigots that provide a fantasy and community where their bigotry is a virtue.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People aren't just born this way. They're indoctrinated.

It's not a question of stupidity, it's an issue of perspective. It's the same way you have Texas grade school bludgeon "Mexico tyrannized Texas but now we're free" into each subsequent generation of kids as part of the Texas History curriculum. You raise generations of Floridians by telling them over and over and over again that Cuba is the Bad Place run by the Bad People and its your duty to liberate them by any means necessary. It doesn't work on everybody, but it inevitably cements this reflexive fear in somebody.

And then you sift these radicals off the pool with police/military recruitment, religious clubs and mission trips, political organizations and anti-communist business communities, and a dozen other state-sponsored organizing groups. In the same way you make an atom bomb - by sifting and compressing the most radioactive isotopes of uranium - you can make Miami Cuban radicalism.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you apply the same lack of agency to everyone or just reactionary proles?

If you dig far enough, nothing is technically anyone's fault and free will is an illusion. Even the self deluding centrists, unhinged millionaire libertarians, and ineffectual gay liberals that I know you despise ultimately are just following their programming.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If you dig far enough, nothing is technically anyone’s fault

This is the nut of it. Social problems are systemic not individualistic and need to be solved systemically.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Unless they're a billionaire? Insurance Executive? Or if they're a CIA spook? Or a White Supremacist internet influencer?

Don't get me wrong, in so far that a person can be "evil", those people are. (And technically, good can come from them dying, it depends on the context, free Luigi & Tyler) I just see a lack of consistency, because for me, the impoverished/foreign bigot is also just as "evil", they just lack the power to enact it.

(And evil doesn't exist in the same way that divine good also doesn't)

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Making excuses for them will prevent any systemic solutions.

Everything your saying is just as true for sexual predators. We don't allow them to roam freely just because it's not their fault because locking them away doesn't solve the underlying systmetic problem.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Nobody is making excuses. And trying to pivot this to sexual predators is redundant. A lot of these people are in the human trafficking business, because its an extension of the cartel system that the US endorses across Latin America.

You do need to recognize the problem as holistic, rather than just singling out individuals. Shutting down the CIA-backed human trafficking pipeline is more important than being angry at a single Cuban expat for voting wrong.