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I have been self-employed since around 92, I have more failed startups under my belt than some you have had sex. My current business is 13 years old but it still makes me just a living,

I grew it from me and one bloke to 13 employees. Now here is the thing, when I had all those employees I earned less than I did when it was just 2 of us.

I didn't get to do much except sales, admin and fixing stuff those 13 Guys fucked up. After doing some sums I let attrition do the job and reduced back to a solo outfit.

Now I am tired before I start my day, my back hurts and lifting stuff that just two years ago was a breeze is no longer as easy. This is an age thing, I realised the other day that my pension plan is good for just about 3 hours. https://dustfactory.co.za You can look at my website here and until about 3 years ago it was supplying too many leads for me to reply to. COVID broke that., but I am tired more than not getting enough work. .

I ran a web dev company before this one in a small town in Africa and clients were limited, too much competition, people offering work at stupid low prices and I got tired of counting cents, so I went back to my trade.

I used my skills developed during that period to out perform all my opposition on the web for the woodworking business. The most important thing that I learned in the business was saying no, or even fuck off. You cannot offer value and quality if you are too cheap.

I have moved to a big city, reduced overheads and can now retire about 3 hours before I kick the bucket. I really don't want to get back in the death spiral competing with people charging too little for their service, mainly because I am convinced that a website that doesn't bring results is not an investment for any business.

I have started updating my skills again, updating the CMS that I built and have been using. also have registered a few domains to build sites on as test beds.

The numbers below are based on exchange rates and are in no way accurate, they are just an example. My question is as follows, let's say the cheap blokes are selling web sites for $100 and they place them, charge for hosting about $7 a month, but are doing no SEO, no forward planning, just put it up and forget it, How much should I be charging a month for full service?

Would you be willing to pay $250 a month for a site that includes all the SEO stuff like semantics, includes me sorting out your local SEO stuff, creating content regularly or would that seem like too much of a difference. I am assuming small businesses as clients.

Next check out my website and tell me if it creates confidence. Note not all the content is complete yet, but check out these pages please.

https://centuriondesign.co.za/

https://centuriondesign.co.za/pages/SEO.html

https://centuriondesign.co.za/pages/web-design.html

Tell me how I could improve them, What could I do that would help you make a decision?

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[–] zive9@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going to start by saying you must be a great carpenter!

There's lots of criticism here in this thread, but you should have known that it could go either way when you asked for feedback.

The fact that you learned how to code, built a website for your carpentry business, and it's generated leads over the past 10 years is very impressive!

You want to sell websites that focus on outcomes and prioritise function over form. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's the way to go in fact. The problem is that you don't exist in a vacuum. All over the world, small businesses are already getting websites that deliver outcomes and look good.

Let's look at outcomes first. Most small businesses are local, providing physical/in-person services within a geographical vicinity. This makes marketing a website much easier as your competition is limited to that geographic boundary. For example, a plumber will service customers within a 50km radius from his business. A doctor will service people that are willing to come to his location, usually not more than 50km away, for example. Similarly, a kitchen carpenter might service customers within a 100km radius from their location.

Because competition is restricted to a very small geographical area, it's not very hard to get a website to rank in local searches. Ranking for "kitchen cabinets" is hard, ranking for "kitchen cabinets Johannesburg" is easier, ranking for "kitchen cabinets Bela-Bela" is much, much easier.

It's not surprising that your dustfactory website was ranking well given that you said you're in a smaller town. Even if you weren't focusing on local SEO, Google knows where you're located and it knows where the searchers are located so it delivers locally relevant results. I'm not trying to be a dick, but the results you had are more likely to do with how good Google is at their job rather than how good you are at SEO.

If you target customers with small, local, service based businesses you could deliver similar outcomes for them. But before you can sell someone on outcomes, you need to make a good first impression (design) or they won't enquire.

Now let's talk about 'looking good'. There's no accounting for taste. Art is subjective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of clichés that explain why people have very different tastes. This already makes being objective about design difficult.

On top of that, it's human nature to be proud of things we've done. All children think their drawings are on the fridge because they're clearly works of art. The only way to get real feedback on creative work is when you're doing it for someone else. People are rarely objective and honest enough with themselves to evaluate their own creativity.

You've been designing for yourself all this time, so you're clearly happy with what you've done. Again, not to be a dick, but you've been patting yourself on the back for the last 10 years so much you've decided to make a business out of it.

The feedback you've been getting here is reflective of the market, and that will include potential customers that want a website built. You don't exist in a vacuum, those potential customers can go online and see millions of websites that look better and find web developers from all over the world for cheaper. Web design/dev is not a local service, it can be done from anywhere.

This doesn't mean you should give up, but you need to be realistic. Your Web design skills, at this point, do not come close to your competitors. You need to update yourself on where the industry is at and learn the current best practices and conventions.

While you believe it's more noble/skilled/commendable/tech savvy to build websites using your custom CMS, that's because you aren't aware of where the industry is right now. Customers don't care about your CMS, they'll only care that their beautiful logo is on an equally beautiful website.

Design is hard, it's not for everyone. You can learn web development by reading, web design has a little more to do with innate creativity and judgement.

What if instead of designing websites you focused on local SEO services? Something more technical rather than creative might suit you better.

[–] guymclarenza@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Even multinational companies are local, I use my local "Walmart" My local "Home Depot" , The brick and mortar businesses that get the best results on marketing market locally, It would be folly for the CEnturion Branch of Builders Warehouse to market and advertise to Capetonians.

As to my local SEO being easy, Yhere were at least 29 Carpenters in that small town, I was the easiest to find online, I am now in a city and get found by clients from across the city because of my optimisation.