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[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As the other people mentioned. In North America, the percentage of urban populations is 85%, Latin America 81%, Europe 75%

Yes, rural areas are probably in need of private vehicles, but not everyone out of those 85-75% of people need a car. We've become too reliant on them.

[–] yopla@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Those stats are a bit misleading. For example, I live in a "urban" environnement, aka a town, but the closest anything is still 15km away.

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fair point, but I still think it holds true for > 50% of people. That is still a huge percentage and the rest of the people that would need vehicles wouldn't need such destructive infrastructure in the middle of cities. Cities could be a lot more compact, walkable and without 15 lane highways running through the middle. The vast majority of traffic in cities is caused by people who could replace that with public transport or walking in a better planned city.

Now America is a lot more problematic there because of suburbanisation, idk how you fix that at this point, but I hope that it's possible.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think you do "fix" suburbanization because people who live in suburbs probably want to live in suburbs. Not everyone wants to be in a dense city, for me that sounds like hell.

[–] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is an anything in your mind

[–] yopla@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What we do have at a walking/biking distance is a bakery, a pharmacy, a coffee shop, an antique store, two art galleries.

Anything else such as food, school, work, train station, doctor, veterinary, you name it, is 15k away.

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like your town needs a tram station

[–] yopla@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really, trams are only good if you need more capacity than a bus can provide on a fixed line which is not the case. What we need is exactly the opposite, a small capacity and a flexible route.

The thing that has the most chance to work in the near future, from a practicality and cost point of view is, imho, a fleet of on demand self driving electric minibus that can serve all the township around.

Note, we already have on-demand minibus, it's basically a bus with fixed stop in all the local towns that only come if requested and available, It's just not very available due to a shortage of drivers.