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Been digging into dunk stats recently. Less because I'm interested in dunks, more because I'm interested in this weird sorta data anomaly.

Officially, Rudy Gobert holds the single-season dunk record with 308 dunks in his 2018-2019 season.

Dig a little deeper and you discover that the NBA only started recording dunk stats in 1996. You may note that Shaq was drafted to the Magic in 1992. This means that Shaq's first 4 seasons of dunks don't count.

And then I found this Topps Frequent Flyer basketball card that lists Shaq's rookie season dunk total as 322. Seems kinda bonkers. He blew away the record in his rookie season, and it was just mostly forgotten to time? I figured the card was a misprint or something.

Curious though, I tracked down a copy of the 1993 Sixers Media Guide on EBay. Sure enough, on page 146, it lists Shaq's 1992 dunk total as 322. It also lists his season high single-game dunk total as 13 (debatably, another record). If you're not familiar with the Sixers Media Guide and Harvey Pollack, this stuff is very reliable.

So now, Dwight Howard is typically credited as the career all-time dunk leader with 2,950 dunks. If you take Shaq's official career dunk total and add just that rookie season total, you get 2,948 dunks. Pretty sure he knocked down those 3 dunks and then some in the 3 additional seasons he played before dunk stats were introduced.

I just find this super interesting. We're awfully obsessed with data these days. It's getting to the point where we can analyze an entire playing field at specific timestamps. But for the majority of pro sports history you had to scrape together what you could from newspapers, books and memory.

And yet, in an attempt to frame discussion and debate in NBA media, it's convenient to just dismiss the numbers that you can't bring up on bballreference. And I get that we have to draw the lines somewhere, but this is data collected and printed by a very highly regarded NBA employee who basically set the bar for statistical analysis in the NBA.

There's a similar story that comes up with the triple-double debate. Long story short, Wilt probably had more triple-doubles than Westbrook by a lot, and they were almost all on blocking. But there's much less proof of that one.

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[–] NYSOM-Mod@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If you could somehow get this info to shaq, knowing his obsession to be #1, he’ll get the count fixed lmao.

Tweet at the guys on TNT and see if you get lucky. I know they sometimes show stuff from fans on their televised days. Maybe underdog can do a deep dive.

[–] KilwaLover@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

watch ESPN make story about it next time

[–] jtapostate@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then someone will contact the Sixers and the aforementioned Harvey Pollack's family for the records of Wilt's dunks and we will never hear another word from Shaq on the subject

On another note the NBA criteria for an assist was much stricter in the 60s and 70s,,

[–] Select-Resource4275@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Variations in the counting/officiating are an interesting factor.

[–] FuckingKilljoy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Which will then hopefully inspire someone to make a post saying they watched every game Wilt played (including finding a bunch of lost media) and it shows Wilt actually had one more dunk than Shaq

[–] WafflesTheWookiee@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Oh god, is r/nba gonna cause a ruckus again…

[–] Millionaire007@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Anything to shit on Dwight and Gobert

[–] Darnell2070@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

People should do it on OPs behalf and link you this Reddit submission.

[–] sisigchamp@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Hahhaa im commenting for follow bec this is sure as shit gonna be a content from TNT guys.

I can imagine Barkley instigating haha

[–] wallace6464@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

a TNT employee is for sure buying a copy of this media guide as we speak