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[–] Enekk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The other forgiving thing about Seinfeld is that they are all supposed to be fundamentally broken and bad people. You can reframe it as, yeah, they are being insensitive, but that is how they are about most things. That doesn't forgive it fully, but the show is full of things like this where they challenge the viewer to not empathize with the cast and even punish the viewers when they do.

[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They aren't "bad people" by the standards of the time. (Except george).

They're just normal, fallible humans.

[–] Enekk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I actually disagree a bit here, but that's the genius of the show. I do agree that they are more nuanced than just good or evil.

Each of them represents different types of moral failure. George is scheming and has an inferiority complex. Elaine starts off as a good person, but lets her love for Jerry and her disdain for those she sees as "lesser" than her drag her down to the same level as the rest of them. Jerry is aloof and a real narcissist - everyone serves him or doesn't exist. Kramer is basically just a child - lazy and chaotic - at best you can say he is Chaotic Neutral in D&D terms.

The show presents all of this alongside a veneer of charisma and humor and dares you to realize just how terrible these people actually are. One might surmise that the writers of the show might be very familiar with this type of manipulation. Heck, how many sitcoms can boast both that the main characters were at least partially responsible for a body count of well over 10 people and also that almost nobody recoils at that fact?

[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

I kind of hate that I think you're right. Lol.