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[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Been watching some Bob's Burgers recently, and there are some weird ones in there. It actually seems to have some wildly different standards for acceptability across episodes.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I groan a lot rewatching old shows, or don't find the jokes funny anymore in 2026, but I think people forget that society progresses.

Take the Seinfeld episode where a reporter thinks George and Jerry are partners and they freak out about it but say "not that theres anything wrong with that." The joke isn't them being called gay but their immature reaction.

A lot of younger modern viewers don't like it, and I get it. The scenes do play on a lot of stereotypes but they fail to realize in the mid 90s homosexuality was almost never mentioned on tv and when it was its was a slur. Just the act of making an episode that featured a discussion on homosexuality and didn't use it as an insult ever was progress. Yes by todays standards a lot of the sterotypical behavior George and Jerry present throughout the episode is in poor taste but it wasn't made with todays standards.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My wife hates watching "All in the Family", because she hates Archie.

I love watching "All in the Family", because I hate Archie. He consistently gets put in his place and gets taught a lesson. He's still crass and rude and xenophobic and racist and sexist...and that's the point.

People like that can't be fixed, but we can sure enjoy laughing at them and showing them how they are wrong. That's why I love the show.

No wonder Reiner died due to "complications of TDS", as our wonderful President put it. That asshole (the president) is practically a modern reflection of Archie Bunker, just also sundowning.

[–] Enekk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The other forgiving thing about Seinfeld is that they are all supposed to be fundamentally broken and bad people. You can reframe it as, yeah, they are being insensitive, but that is how they are about most things. That doesn't forgive it fully, but the show is full of things like this where they challenge the viewer to not empathize with the cast and even punish the viewers when they do.

[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

They aren't "bad people" by the standards of the time. (Except george).

They're just normal, fallible humans.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can't speak to sitcoms, but I'm watching ER (1994) and it gave two excellent examples

In season one, where it was more prestigious and Michael Crichton was more directly involved, there's an episode where a trans women comes in and the doctors are uncomfortable treating her - which eventually leads to the patient's suicide. The moral being that even this person who is strange deserves compassion from us.

In season three, where it has become more of a formulaic tv drama, there's an episode where a trans woman comes in and it's played entirely for laughs, including the trans woman insisting that she gets bad PMS when on her period.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeesh. As a queer teenager in the 90s, I definitely remember TV reenforcing my fears and reducing me to a punchline. And then Will & Grace happened, and I couldn't stand the stereotypes, but suddenly people were laughing with us instead of at us. Representation matters so much. Even if it's not the best, it still matters.

[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 1 points 20 hours ago

Which is why I hate it when baby gays shit on that representation rather than considering the context it was made in.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

How thin the skin? I've noticed stuff like that my whole life. You can't pretend it all away. No matter how much you want it to not exist it will. It moves and changes but the inherent human tendency to take a dig at someone or something you don't like will always be with us. Its the slurs you use personally without thought that you should worry about. Don't think you have never done it.

[–] apparia@discuss.tchncs.de 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm surprised how many people seem offended by this comic. I found it pretty relatable. That doesn't mean I "don't understand context", or think the writers were bad people, or that the shows aren't worth watching. It just means I find it personally unpleasant to find these jokes in a work I'm otherwise enjoying.

When kids study older literature and media in school, generally when there's a slur or racist reference or joke, the teacher will stop and explain the context and get the kids to reflect on it and why it's probably not acceptable today. Even though I understand this and know it going in, I'm still kind of doing an abridged version of that in my head when something like this comes up in a show -- I've been following along, laughing with the writers, and then suddenly I'm backing up and distancing myself from one joke or idea. It's jarring, it pulls me out of the show, and it's just not fun.

In some cases it also comes across as incredibly lazy and unoriginal. So many sitcoms from that era have "the trans episode", "the gay episode", "the lecherous character" -- and they all make the same unfunny jokes, and it's a reminder than a lot of these shows, even in their time, were just not that creative. Plenty of modern shows have the same problem, but they don't draw attention to it by having large classes of "stock jokes" that simply do not land today.

When kids study older literature and media in school, generally when there's a slur or racist reference or joke, the teacher will stop and explain the context and get the kids to reflect on it and why it's probably not acceptable today.

I still remember how my English teacher gave context on usage of the n-word in Huckleberry Finn and how insightful it was for us at that age.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Enekk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Would you believe that this was considered racist at the time too? The play that the movie is based on has tons of reviews from the time that emphasize how racist it is. Walt saw that and said, "Ok, we can fix this by doubling down so hard that people will just assume it's a silly joke". The man was pretty racist.

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 51 points 2 days ago (24 children)

The one that still gets me, and mostly because in this day and age of 2026 it still doesn't get as much homophobic backlash as I feel it clearly deserves is the pejorative: cocksucker.

In my anecdotal experience, 99.55% of the time, it's leveraged against men and used as a homophobic slur.

But even so, is sucking cock really that terrible of a thing to do? The vast majority of people with a cock enjoy the service. We literally celebrate the people who do it well for us personally, in most cases.

Why is it used as a slur?

Anyway, I'm off to suck some cock, see ya'll later.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

99.55%

The specificity of this made me imagine that you had actually taken inventory of every single time you've encountered this in your personal life experience and done the math, lol.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Safe travels, cocksucker!

(Mods, please don't ban me. Please observe the context. Oh my god please jesus don't do it)

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[–] alonsohmtz@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It usually implies that whoever is giving head is being taken advantage of.

i.e. They got swindled by some shitty male into pleasing said male at the cost of their own dignity.

It doesn't happen always, but it happens often enough for the act to be seen as degrading.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I took it to mean that the person referred to is an opportunist of sorts. A man who will perform said act on another man for some kind of benefit, despite being straight or disliking that man.

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 155 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

Early 2000s entertainment too. A good portion of the edgy jokes could be considered funny because they were made on the assumption that "We can laugh about this, because we all know racism and sexism is bad, right?".

And then 2015ish happened and it became obvious that a lot of people weren't laughing AT the -isms but rather WITH.

EDIT: Which slur did Ross use, BTW? I haven't watched that show in eons, and I don't remember any.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 89 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Round of applause to Deep Space 9 for holding up after all these years, half that station was bi at the very least.

[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (10 children)

The alternate universe on that show was the horniest thing in TV for decades.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 80 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I’m gonna say something bold:

Surprisingly not a problem for some shows, good example is Simpson golden age.

There is a gay episode but it’s mostly about Homer overreacting.

A lot of the satire of Simpson is trying to be functional in a dysfunctional system, which has aged like the greatest wine that frank grimes can’t afford.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

I watched Cheers a while back and was surprised at how well it'd aged. Sitcoms are a second-monitor show for me, so it's possible I missed something, but overall no episodes gave me the Ick too badly.

[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 54 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I think a lot of the time it's Gen Z not understanding context. There was overt racism, but a lot of media that is considered racist now was either depicting the experience of people at the time or making fun of racists.

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 41 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Blazing Saddles. Took me a bit to understand this when I was younger. When I first saw it, I thought it was simply outdated humor. Then I thought it was edgy. Then I finally grasped that the whole joke is actually directed at racist white folks and that their racism just makes them look really stupid.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (25 children)

I wish I could get people to care about health care and wages as much as they care about mean words. So many seemingly don't mind being robbed blind as long as our ruling parties using the correct terminology.

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[–] null@lemmy.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had a similar reaction to seeing brown face in Ben Hur (1959). The character itself was a positive depiction, so there's that I guess. It could have easily ruined the whole movie.

[–] graycloud@leminal.space 2 points 1 day ago

I saw a black and white performance of blackface on youtube, I think in the context of looking it up for a college course. I don't really understand the concept or why it's supposed to be funny. In the performance, the two white actors painted their faces as they performed, and when they were done painting themselves, they didn't look like black guys. Before I saw this clip, I thought that blackface existed becasue black people weren't allowed on stage, like how Shakespearean plays had young boys play the female roles because they weren't allowed to include women.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I feel like every time I tried watching Big Bang Theory, I got this vibe.

"haha that guy is such a fucking nerd!" was virtually every laugh-track riddled joke.

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You’re just not the target audience, as shown in this handy diagram:

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[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Currently rewatching Gilmore Girls with my fiancée and we have the same reaction when there's a hint of homophobia or fat jokes in some of the jokes. We usually just give each other a look and roll our eyes but yea, it was just a different time

[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Now you can laugh about politically correct jokes, like if you have a lamp why do you need shade?

The world is my safe space.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"What's the deal with lampshades? If you have a lamp, why do you need a shade?"

Meanwhile, Kramer backstage yelling out hard-N-word.

Then a half-assed apology on Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee

[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It was a simpler time... 2006.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 days ago (12 children)

90's

'90s

#weDoNotPluraliseWithApostrophes

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I have collected so many of the movies I remember fondly as a Gen X’er. From the ‘70s to the ‘90s. Holy shit the stuff I’d forgotten that was in them. Rape-y stuff, comments about underage girls and basically leering at them with tbe camera, suicides, misogyny, women as sexual objects and nothing else, racism… It’s bad. I’d started a movie or two with my kids and had a “oh no” moment when a part started that I’d completely forgotten about. Some of that still exists, but it’s there as a narrative and plot point about the character doing the shitty things rather than the casual and institutional way it was played before. Just goes to show you how times and people (can; some don’t) change. Some of that stuff was not unusual in life for me back then, I wouldn’t dream of it today.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

watching "scary movie" in 2025 makes you appreciate how much society has progressed in the past 25 years

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