People don't really care about anything other than convenience. Twitter could be grinding up puppies live on camera and most people would just shrug and be like "well the good memes are here".

Personally I think that's downstream from how we're all too polite about shit like this. We just smile and change the topic instead of doing the intensely uncomfortable "You really shouldn't use twitter" conversation. But also we're all too... childish, I guess, because most people if someone says that will not respond with "You make a good point and I will change in accordance," but rather with "Fuck you for saying things that make me feel bad. You suck. I'm not listening to anything you say."

So I guess we're fucked because people are immature, fragile, little shits.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It isn't normal for human beings to modify their behavior because someone scolded them about it in a rational way, especially when popular approval is still on the side of doing what they are doing, but that doesn't mean there is nothing that moves the needle on people changing their behavior. You need positive reinforcement when they do something else instead, and stuff like that.

[–] doriandiaconuro@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I’m guilty a bit of this myself. For a long time I’ve been down the rabbit hole with iOS vs Android, especially since Google is adamant on closing it more and more making it harder for custom ROMs to be developed. Basically if you want the current patches and have everything working (payment, camera, banking apps) you have to use one of them.

For apps is also a cultural thing. If you want to stay up to date with Japanese news, X is the most used platform there, for better or worse. There are no other corespondent accounts on other platforms. Recently they started to discover Instagram…I sincerely doubt they’ll join these kind of decentralized passwords.

Most of the people don’t want to be convinced. They come adamant that they won’t change their opinion. And no matter what we do, it won’t be changed. I’m surprised that with the whole US-Wordlwide tensions, people would prefer non-US alternatives. Seems I was wrong

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 1 points 6 hours ago

Most of the people don’t want to be convinced. They come adamant that they won’t change their opinion

I link this comic a lot but I think it's often relevant: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

Basically, people don't believe things or accept facts that conflict with their emotions.

[–] pmk@piefed.ca 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I think there is a fatigue. Morally, I can't justify eating animal products, but I do eat cheese and drink milk. I should take the bus instead of driving, but sometimes I use my car out of convenience. Chocolate means exploiting workers in some country. Etc. People see the world burning and feel powerless.

[–] hanrahan@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

true enough, do what you can and vote wisely to try and change the political landscape is where at.

Outside of that let the edgelords condemn us for being the problem

That said, some values can be normalized if others see you doing it, like cycling etc.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that could be some of it. We can't all be perfect all the time. It's impossible.

I'd appreciate more honest appraisals, though. "I know Twitter is garbage run by a Nazi, but I got linked to it and scrolled a bit" is far better than "well other people are worse so who cares". There's this childish whataboutism that a lot of people bring out to justify their poor behavior.

[–] pmk@piefed.ca 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I agree, honesty is a good first step. So, given all this, should we focus on simply being the more attractive option? Or a combination of principles and convenience? If the good option is cheaper or more convenient, we wouldn't strictly need principles and moral arguments. I'm just thinking of strategy here, it can feel good to be a righteous preacher, but what actually gets us the results we want?

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 3 points 9 hours ago

I don't know. A coworker years ago said to me "you have to make what you want people to do the easy thing", and I think he was right. But someone still has to do work. Back then, it was me changing the deploy script to automatically run tests and open the report so people had to go out of their way to skip all that.

I'm not sure what that looks like for the fediverse. Linking them directly? Some sort of "sign up with Google" SSO mechanism? Just make the account for your friend and give it to them?

Ideally we'd go up one level and address why people are so mentally depleted they can't handle a sign up form.