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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 57 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Here's why it doesn't matter:

"AOMedia Video 1 (AV1) is an open, royalty-free video coding format initially designed for video transmissions over the Internet. It was developed as a successor to VP9 by the Alliance for Open Media (AOMedia),[3] a consortium founded in 2015 that includes semiconductor firms, video on demand providers, video content producers, software development companies and web browser vendors."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV1

[–] Justifier@lemmy.world 67 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Here's why it does matter

Most server hardware thats out there right now doesn't support av1 encoding, so all of those, literally tens of thousands of them in thousands of spread out data centers have to be replaced with brand new +$1,500 a pop cards that do support it before they can use it

[–] Justifier@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

And those servers are what process your Twitchs, your YouTubes, your Netflixs and etc services

[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Most hardware can't decode it either which is very important. Also it's currently being sued over patents

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Most hardware is only really true if you account for older hardware in circulation, most new hardware will be shipping hardware decoder support for AV1.

On top of this, the software decoder support is remarkable for AV1, libdav1d is a marvelous piece of software, bringing access to a plethora of devices lacking hardware decoder support.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

My hardware is old. Has hardware decoding for old formats.

[–] null@lemmy.org 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I was gonna say, I like AV1, but my Plex server says otherwise.

[–] Tilgare@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm using a 15 year old i5 and a GTX 970, having no issues with AV1 video. Curious what hardware you're running.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Neither of those things support AV1 encoding or decoding. Curious how you’ve come to believe you’re having “no issues” with a codec your hardware has no support for.

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't need HW acceleration to playback AV1. Maybe they watch most of their content at 720p and are software decoding and it's been good enough.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah you’re going to need HW acceleration to encode AV1 on your server “without issues”.

Theres a world of difference between something that’s technically possible and something that will just work without issues of any kind. Something being “good enough” implies the existence of caveats. Mainly being that’d be a shitty experience lol.

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, but most people don't need encode. The start of this thread talks about encoding, but the person you replied to didn't specify. My guess is they're just talking about playback.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

The person they’re replying to was talking specifically about their Plex server and how av1 causes problems with it. If their Plex server is the thing that is having trouble with AV1, then it’s encode.

[–] Tilgare@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Software decoding has clearly been sufficient.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I doubt that it's doing real time transcoding in av1, probably just sending the file "as-is" to your client device and you're noticing as modern networks allow real time streaming of files with that size

My server with much newer components does like 5 fps in encoding av1

[–] cheesorist@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

were you trying the default av1 encoder in ffmpeg? that one is unoptimized try libsvtav1 I get hundreds of fps, albeit on a 9800x3d

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

just the default encoder. I tried it only once and when I saw the FPS I gave up almost immediately

[–] cheesorist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That one is not optimized. I get hundreds of fps with libsvtav1, give it a try

[–] Alk@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Jellyfin somehow makes his hardware support AV1?

[–] Alk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, it transcodes AV1 just fine. Half my stuff is in AV1 and I've never had an issue watching it on any device.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

So does Plex... It transcodes AV1 just fine.

Clearly their hardware isn't powerful enough to transcode it smoothly. So they resort to codecs that play natively on their hardware

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

How would that help at all lol

[–] null@lemmy.org -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't ask for recommendations.

[–] Alk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Damn my bad, that changes everything! My sincere apologies!

[–] null@lemmy.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You'd probably have higher adoption rates if you jellyfans weren't so annoying.

[–] Alk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

You're right, they're the worst.

[–] cheesorist@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

use software transcoding if thats your issue

if plex cannot work at all with AV1, it might be time to move to a non-garbage media server like jellyfin.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

jellyfin is the least functional of the trinity of media servers so that’s not the best recommendation here.

[–] TunaLobster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Work great for me. Click button and media plays. What issues are you having?

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago

“Click button media plays” would be the bare minimum a media server does. Being able to play media at all does not elevate it above of its position at the bottom of the media player stack.

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is only really true if you have extreme throughput requirements, a regular VOD operation can get by fine on software encoding.

If you have the kind of throughput needs that warrant hardware encoders you're going to want to go ASIC anyway, so regular server hardware won't cut it. Like YouTube for example had to build their own ASICs because of the downright absurd scale they are running at

[–] mschae@discuss.mschae23.de 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't be too sure about that: https://sh.itjust.works/post/57524423

The whole patent system should just be abolished. And if we can't achieve that, at least software patents.

[–] Justifier@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah, we've seen what happens with patents. from medical, to agriculture, to automotive to software. The system isn't working even slightly as originally intended in almost all scenarios and should be dismantled

[–] mschae@discuss.mschae23.de 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

“Nah”? You seem to be agreeing

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe the nah was to the just software patents part

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The best part of the article is the very end, even if the site makes it look unrelated.

Avanci's Video pool and Access Advance's Video Distribution Patent pool are both now seeking content royalties from streaming services for the use of HEVC, VVC, VP9, and AV1. Access Advance's rates are capped at roughly $63 million per year, and Avanci has published rates of 1.6% to 2.0% of revenue or $0.12 to $0.15 per user per month.

$4.5 million max for H.264 is rookie numbers vs. the $63 million max for AV1

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How does someone seek royalties on an open, royalty-free video coding format?

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago

By claiming that you own patents on technology used by said format.

The "open royalty free" aspect applies to companies that are a part of the AOMedia group, if you're not involved with them you're not covered by the patent grants and restrictions in place, and can charge whatever the courts say is cool.