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Republicans introduce extreme bill to ban lawsuits against Big Oil forever | Shouldn't Democrats... be saying something about this? (heated.world)

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

You misunderstand. We either win everything or nothing. If we win, nothing they did with the laws will be permanent because there will not be this set of laws anyways. I abjectly refuse to participate if we do not redo the entire system.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Again, that’s what they hope for. You aren’t being noble, you are just noping out when it gets hard.

It’s more important than ever now, no matter what, make everything they try to do difficult.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

"make everything they do difficult"

I am ....?

If we defeat them and do nothing about the system that did this, I am fucking off forever.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 2 points 2 hours ago

Oh, agreed. But that means we have to fight harder when the system is working against us. To defeat them, we have to keep playing the game.

[–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They're not saying "I don't care because nothing matters". They're saying "I don't care because everything they do will be meaningless when we get them the fuck out of there".

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Right, and what I’m saying is that is the mentality the power structure is trying to make us all feel.

You vote every time, you show up every time. I’m not saying vote for anyone specifically, but don’t give up your power. It is not meaningless to fight these fuckers, and just waiting it out is the only guaranteed way they will win.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We either win everything or nothing.

The first is impossible without committing atrocities, and the second is a worst case.

I abjectly refuse to participate if we do not redo the entire system.

Abject indeed. You've bought the "stay home and do nothing" propaganda, which is just what they want you do do.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

IF WE GET OFF THE COUCH AND MURDER THE FASCISTS AND FIX EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT WOULD ALSO RENDER ALL THEIR FUCKERY WITH THE LAWS NULL AND VOID.

I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE DO NOTHING. I AM SAYING THAT THEIR ACTIONS AND FLAILING ARE NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ALL DIE FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 30-40 YEARS WITH THEM IN POWER OR WE FIX THIS SHIT AND ONLY PROBABLY DIE HORRIBLY FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 100-200 YEARS.

I AM FIGHTING FOR THE REDUCTION IN OUR CHANCES OF DEATH.

did you hear me that time...?