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The question is not what the carrot is. It's what the stick looks like if you refuse. Here in France the government is also very happy to provide you with a nice apartment when they kick you out to destroy a neighborhood. That doesn't mean there isn't going to be a violent eviction if you refuse, after many years (though not every time).
You would be surprised to learn that many people don't want to leave their house, even if on paper a newly constructed building looks better. Is it okay for the government to decide for you? In my opinion, no. And neither China nor the West is any good on that point.
There's a huge difference in dictatorships of capital like France and working class states like the PRC, because France serves the bourgeoisie while China serves the proletariat. The working classes deciding how to develop is different from capitalists imposing this on the working classes.
Tell that to the peasants and working class of Xiancun evicted to make way for gentrification. A State is a State. The interest of the States are rarely aligned with that of the people.
This is liberal class-erasure. The state is not above or outside class struggle, but thoroughly enmeshed within it, and therefore can only be the representative of the ruling class. In the PRC, the proletariat and peasantry established a working-class state in 1949.
Infantile nonsense. No the state is the instrument through which one class rules over the others. Given that abolishing class and class antagonisms at the push of a magic button is impossible a proletarian state that oppresses and represses the bourgeoisie and reactionaries is necessary for the transition between capitalism and communism. This is called socialism. A workers state and a bourgeois state are not the same.