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Discussion: Are the US trying to colonize Europe? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 3 days ago by stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml to c/europe@feddit.org

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I know this is a bold thesis. It is meant to provoke thought and encourage debate. Here are some of the considerations that led me to it:

Europe depends on US military protection, and the US uses this “alliance” as leverage -> NATO gives Washington structural influence over European security choices.
US tech firms dominate Europe’s cloud and software stack, creating digital dependency. Also, European data often sits under infrastructure exposed to US legal and corporate power.
Russian energy dependence was a problem for Europe when the Ukraine war started. The US were quite eager when it came to "help" by replacing the Russian energy dependence with American energy dependence.
US sanctions policy often forces Europe to absorb costs for Washington’s geopolitical priorities.
American platforms shape European speech, commerce, administration, and most importantly: public debate.
“Strategic autonomy” exists as a slogan because dependency is already the default.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Interesting question. I mean it probably depends a bit on how long we think the current political course of the USA lasts. Seems to me the current wannabe king lost quite some backing with the electorate. And all of the unsteadiness, extra cost for the economy, ... might not be very sustainable in the long run. So this situation might swing to the other direction sometime soonish?!

I think the USA overall might still have quite some of the original idea deep inside. It's just the current administration and whatever crazy things some individuals come up with. But it doesn't look to me like they're doing a lot of successful geopolitical strategy. I mean they do have ideas. But then they just do random things. One week they're big into conspiracy narratives against the jews, the next day they side with Israel and start a war. Which is another thing they promised to do less, a few months before that. They start some trade war against China, and they lose it. Then they do declare themselves the winner. I think only real strategy here is some Orwellian: War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength... And their flood the zone strategy. But that mostly deals with the domestic population. A good amount of them is stupid and they cheer for Trump for deporting people. But at some point even they will realize the current rate at which Trump is doing it will leave you with immigrants for another 30-60 years. So he can't even meet the expectations of the xenophobes. In reality, that is. They can lie about it, and they do. But I guess at some point there will be a reality check. Plus there's also lots of clever and sane people in the USA.

So I don't see any proper attempt suitable to beat China or Europe. And I think the MAGA days are already numbered. So I just don't think we might be looking at a strategy like that in the near future.

And it takes two to tango. Putin has been following a long term strategy for decades already. And up to now, all his negotiations with the US and phone calls have turned out his way. Seems to me that kind of direction comes Putin's way. But idk. He's kinda weak? He misjudged the situation in Ukraine and he's now busy with that. He can't beat them. And he lost over a million men, wasted his weapon stockpile. His economy isn't doing good at all. I don't think he can afford another war, right now. Plus he already has a strategy against us and he'll probably stick with it for a little bit longer. He's doing this hybrid warfare to destabilize us. Fill our social media with misinformation, sow distrust, give suitcases filled with money to our most fascist and corrupt politicians. Sabotage our infrastructure... I think that's more like Putin. I don't expect any pact with the USA from him. At least not any pact that makes him promise anything to the USA.

Ultimately, I don't think Russia and the USA are even aligned. There's some overlap with the oligarchy and corruption going on. But it's not really like they follow the same goals. And the USA as a democratic country are supposed to do what the population wants, anyway. Not let some politicians do whatever, mostly for personal gain.