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I think you missed the part where I pointed out that I do work from home.
I'd also point out that riding a bike for the commutes I'm mentioning is a non-starter, its too large of a distance for a daily commuter ride.
Again, the point is that this is not a car commuter exclusive problem, and its going to impact people who use mass transit. There are plenty of train lines that aren't powered and require dual electric/diesel engines. Infrastructure installation to extend lines takes time, not to mention the lack of rail infrastructure in the first place that impacts the overwhelming majority of the US.
Yes I did where was it
That's a hell of a take
You pissed in your bed America. I was telling you to stop now you're too tired to stand and complaining about all the piss.
Very first sentence.
Also, don't make shit up and fake quote because you misread and want to be shitty about it.
Okay so you don't have a problem what ate you complaining about
You didn’t mention this: what distance did you have in mind?
The current average commute for my state is about 15mi, but that number (annoyingly) includes WFH which skews the numbers.
Mine, for example, would be a 60mi commute if I still had one.
Edit: And I don't think I should have to really mention that the overwhelming majority of commuters are leaving their town for work....
Well, that’s the core problem. No one should be commuting for an hour by car.
Yes, obviously its the fault of the individuals who were living somewhere and got a better job further away.
Clearly the problem is that, and nothing else.
Also, at no point was I discussing driving a car.
Edit: Actually, I did mention driving further away to a bus or train and parking there, so yes, I did mention driving a car. But not for the commute itself.
You found blame that was not there. The fault is with the car-centric design of our society and the false convenience of driving, not with the people taking jobs where they can get them.
No I was saying everyone should quit their impractical far drive jobs and build rail lines outside their front doors on spec with their savings instead of paying rent don't put words in my mouth!
When you put it to "no one should be driving an hour by car" in a discussion about the more than doubling price of bus fare for bus commuting, I'm going to find it very hard to understand what youre trying to say.
And considering you commented on a person driving for an hour, rather than on the rapidly increasing commuting costs for all commuters, or the larger issues driving those increases, I'm going to find it real hard to believe youre doing anything but putting blame on an individual.
That’s fair. I’d have perhaps phrased it more clearly as “society should put no one in a position where they feel that they must travel 60 miles [an hour by car] twice daily for work” but that feels a bit unwieldy.
I'd say thats generally more of a larger issue, yeah.
But just to mention, in the NYC area, just 3 miles outside of NYC can take an hour all by itself.
Either way - fuel costs are impacting mass transit riders too. Saying "just take the bus instead" helps no one when those bus costs are rapidly rising as well. And the same goes for trains when not all of them are electrified for the full run.
The effect of fuel costs on mass transit is much smaller than on personal motor vehicles though. So yeah, “just take the bus” is a pretty big step in the right direction, relatively speaking.
Here is the title of the post:
Here is my first comment:
So no, its not. Its a massively increasing cost that is continuing to trend upward.
Its about as helpful to folks who are being impacted by this as "Just don't go to work!" or "Ride a bike for 50 miles each way every day, problem solved!"
What "just take the bus" does is shift the blame onto the individual being impacted, made worse by the fact that many of those impacted by these rising costs are already taking mass transit. This isn't a "car" problem. This is a "commuter" problem.
And you think that the fare increase there is driven by fuel costs alone? Or even that fuel cost is in any way a significant portion of the change?
Not. A. Chance.
A good chunk of it is, actually.
When the cost of fuel goes down, so does the cost of the pass. The price of diesel has nearly doubled in the past year, and about to hit a new record high. And that has mostly happened in the past month and change.
Pretending fuel costs aren't a factor is foolish.
The rest of it, however, is a direct result of other stupid policies.
I will repeat myself yet again - the rising costs of commuting are impacting far more than just car drivers, and fuel costs soaring are a part of that.