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If you just want something that’s more privacy-minded out of the box without messing about with custom ROMs etc, maybe consider an iPhone?
Weirdly in this case I think I agree. You can look at my previous comments about how much I hate Apple but it seems to me that OP isn't too technical and installing a custom ROM might not be what they're after. iPhones don't have any of those annoying games and stuff preinstalled, as long as the carrier doesn't install stuff. I'd suggest a refurbished unlocked iPhone though, to save some money. Make sure the previous owners account is removed from the device or else it'll probably just be a paper weight.
If OP is open to custom ROMs then GrapheneOS is a great choice but LineageOS and DivestOS are also great options for someone that wants to get started with privacy and they support a lot more devices, that can be got for cheaper than an iPhone/Pixel. Again, I'd recommended a refurbished, carrier unlocked phone that is supported by one of these projects
Its not hard to flash a rom these days, unlike ten years ago.
Now developers post instructions for each device type. Look at Lineage, Graphene, DivestOS. Very good instructions from all of them, including installing ADB on Windows or Linux.
Of the dozens (hundreds?) of times I've flashed over the years, I've bricked 1 device, and that was from experimenting and not following instructions, I knew it was risky.
And with Pixel it's about as straightforward as it gets.
They are good products, even if they don’t have the nerdy cool factor. Each day I’m working on old C/C++ code in Linux, so having my phone be a reliable appliance instead of yet another computer to fuck around with is totally fine for me. I liked my past Android phones too though.
No carrier bloatware and very long software support.
I carry an iPhone for work, corp IT manages it, I use little more than comm stuff there, so theres no advantage to having an Android. (Before that my work phone was a blackberry, because I need work calls, email, messaging, etc to just work, and you couldn't beat the battery life).
My personal is Android, because I want the tools I can use there.
Two very different use-cases.
And I really dislike iOS UI/UX, the limitations are very constricting. But for the basics it "just works", but it isn't something to recommend for privacy.
Yep, there were times when I was having a good time rooting and even overclocking my Android phone. Automating stuff with good old Tasker too.
But like I said, the “app launching appliance” life is all food for me now.
Plus I have an Apple Watch and like it, and my entire family uses iPhones. So whatever ecosystem inertia/lock-in could be there, is there.
I will never buy an Apple product.
+1 for iPhone. Is it as private as GrapheneOS? No. Is it more private than almost all out of the box android phones? Yes.
Apple still use a lot of your data, although they at least claim to anonymise most of it. But that data stays internal to try boost more apple sales, and isn’t sold to other companies. I’d rather 1 company have my information than 100.
Any apple apps you don’t want are easily removed once it’s set up and they don’t come back with updates etc.
This is the privacy community, I wouldn't consider iOS appropriate here at all, since you really can't do anything to limit the data collection. Especially not for a "what phone should I get" question. If someone already has an iPhone, asking what you can do is a good question ("not much" is the answer you'll get).
Is it better out if the box than most Androids? Probably, maybe, depending on how that's defined. But I can quickly make most Androids far better than iOS, even ones with a lot of vendor bloat.
For example, I recently cleaned up a Verizon Samsung just using the Universal Android Debloat Tool. This is stuff I used to do manually with ADB.
Then adding a VPN and I could restrict apps calling home and bypass Google DNS.
You can even disable google services, play, etc, and just don't use a google acccount on the phone.
https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater