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The working classes do control the state in China. The class breakdown of the NPC is largely proletarian, and anti-corruption campaigns happen regularly under the current Xi Jinping administration. The Hu Jintao era was worse about letting capitalists into the party, but this is a relic of the late 90s and 2000s period.
As for China and extraction operations in the Congo, this is not itself imperialism. For example, the share of "artisanal mining" (a real misnomer, it doesn't refer to mining by sole proprietors but instead to mining by hand in brutal conditions, with little regard for safety) in the DRC has been falling steadily since 2008, going from 40-53% to 9-11% in 2020. This is evidence of development, not super exploitation for superprofits. Here's an excerpt from a good article:
I'd like to know what you mean by China committing atrocities and buying off politicians.
Yes that's what I first thought too, lol!
Dengism isn't real.
This is petty bourgeois fantasy.
You are an idiot.
Lol, we basically said the same thing but you did so far more succinctly.
Being awake late will tend to bring out the bluntness
Fair enough, lol. Been trying to limit my commenting to specific windows of time to limit doomscrolling, works wonders so far!
Since when was socialism "receiving shares from employers?" Socialism is a mode of production and distribution centering public ownership of the means of production, the dominant aspect of China's economy is the public sector with a working class state. This is socialism.
As for your word salad, tankie is just a pejorative for socialists that support existing socialist states, "Dengism" isn't a thing, and all states are "authoritarian," so the important aspect is which class controls the state, not if the state exists or not.
"True socialism" isn't a thing, socialism is not a religious vow. It's a material system where public ownership is the principal aspect and the working classes control the state. Receiving shares from employers is a weird, petty bourgeois notion of socialism utterly disconnected from the scientific socialism of Marx and Engels. Rather than making everyone a worker-owner of the individual firm they work at, socialism leads towards everyone owning all of production and distribution.
Well said.
Thanks!
Literally zero evidence for any of your claims. Why should anyone believe you?
I'm aware of the brutality of "artisinal mining," I suggest you reread my comment. I edited it with supporting evidence showing that "artisinal mining" has been falling dramatically as China has gotten involved in developing the DRC's extraction industries, falling to less than 10% from staggering heights of over 50%.
Further, I suspect you just had an LLM spit out "evidence of corruption in the CPC" or other such line. That wouldn't make it inherently wrong, but there's no link to any evidence supporting your statements, and further, class is not the same as income or wealth. The CPC is highly meritocratic, which does result in CPC members having better educational backgrounds, which does have connection to wealth. However, the difference being a measly 25% at most is staggeringly low compared to bourgeois parties that deliberately empower capitalists.
The vast majority of the population supports their government, actually, because they are treated very well. Over 90% of the population supports the CPC. NIRA data's latest polling found China to be one of the more comprehensively democratic countries in the world as seen by its own population:
The PRC is a socialist state, not a state capitalist state like the Republic of Korea, US Empire, or Singapore. China being socialist has nothing to do with the name of the party in control, and everything to do with the mode of production and distribution in China. Rather than a neoliberal paradise, it’s closer to a nightmare for neoliberals. This editorial from The Guardian explains it quite well, actually:
Class is a relation to ownership of the means of production, not a total level of wealth. Allegations of corruption and negligence from the west are common, cheap, and hypocritical. The NPC has a handful of capitalists, and instead is dominated by the working classes, as is the CPC itself.
care to share these “Independent journalistic investigations and unclassified intelligence reports”?
I’m curious as to how we can view unclassified reports. I ain’t never been to college either so idk how legit it is to base your view on one of the oldest countries political system on “unclassified documents”
ALSO no matter how much of the truth is presented to you in provable information, you are pretty much accurately describing how the US and the west function. With China it’s all like “behind the scenes” or whatever so you can just say anything. With the US it’s literally out in the open and you can prove it.
"I have no evidence and my claims were lies"
Interesting position to take.
Scrutinizing evidence is important. The fact you refuse to provide any because it will be scrutinized is ridiculous. (Although unfortunately not that surprising seeing as you're a zenzite)
This is what you said. You won't bother posting any evidence because it will be scrutinized. Why bother lying when it's so easily fact checkable?
Given that you refuse to provide the evidence for the claims you made, it's already a bad faith discussion on your part.
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Actually Cowbee provided a ton of sources for all their claims. You don't know, but you're dealing with one of the most well-read people on this instance. They bring RECEIPTS
Jokes aside, you're purposely ignoring evidence presented to you.
Or you could be a troll or a fed as well. Idc either way. I've long maintained we should just stop having conversations about China with Westerners. They're just salty that they're no longer free to exploit the world.
One of the most well read people on the internet* lol
That's a huge overstatement, though I appreciate the flattery!
You've earned some flattery, lol
That's sweet of you, thanks!
I started on .World, grew frustrated with the mindsets there, lurked on .ml for a couple years, and I'm a big fan of your posts!
Thanks! I really do appreciate it, sentiments like yours mean a lot to me!
Well well but Cowbee can't counter the exodia of arguments, the card "China is bad" has no counter, not even cowbee can win against that.
Do you mean stop investment? Why would you want a superpower to stop uplifting developing nations??
I've seen it from space, doesn't look like missile craters to me. Have you seen what western "investment" entails?
No, you're projecting Y on X because you're scared that the world will see just how much better X is, and slowly but surely, Y will fade away into irrelevance as it's institutions implode.
FTFY
Jesus, the other responses were you at your best? Oof.
Lol, you must be on the move.
No, the person debunking you has links. You don’t. Are you gonna call those propaganda?
… you realize you don’t have to respond yet then, right? If you’re not ready why bother wasting time telling me 😂 respond to the other guy I’m too tired for you
Still no evidence