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And if he had turned away because the church was more extreme than he was...
We'd be worse off.
Instead he became the fricken Pope and moderated on of the world's largest religions.
That is great, I would love to see similar movements in the Evangelical and Baptist faiths here. What about Islam who is moderating that?
Protestants do not have a pope-equivilant to keep all of the sects in line
Islam has sheikhs and such who make decrees, but Islam is also very sectarian so you're not gonna get universal agreement
I see, thank you, I do admit I'm not super knowledgeable about that. That makes sense, what I was trying to get at before was that it didn't seem like Islam had such a thing. I know that holy wars have been going on for centuries and the current ones aren't anything new just different circumstances. I wish religions could live together in peace and I don't see how obliterating each other helps anyone's cause. The people fighting wars in the name of religion are all just bastardizations anyways, most people are just trying to get by and want peace. That goes for everyone of course.
The billions of moderate Muslims...
Like, you realize that there's a lot of different types just like Christianity and they're all over the planet, right?
The vast majority are pretty chill.
Hell, Iran in the 70s was super progressive until capitalist overthrew their democracy and installed religious extremists.
Most countries ruled by Muslim extremists were put in place by "Christian nations".
Do you know anything about this?
Why are you so angry and judgy? Why would I want to talk to you about anything? No thanks.
Talk about kettle calling the pot black!
Yes I know I've been an asshole in the past and I fully admit to that, I've mentioned it several times and it's in my profile as well. I am trying to be more hopeful, positive, and have better interactions, as such, I'm trying to avoid negative interactions. I am sorry if I was a jerk to you. I'm working on it.
I'm not the person you were originally conversing with, but I appreciate this comment. I really relate to what you describe. If someone was to look over my profile now, they'd see someone who is broadly quite helpful and wholesome in their interactions. However, my default mode used to be "abrasive arsehole", both online and in-person. Even besides the impact that had on other people, it made my head an unpleasant place to be, and so I put a lot of work into changing that.
It took a while (and I still sometimes slip into my old ways), but it gradually got easier, and I've found that I'm way more likely to have productive and meaningful discussion with folks online, as well as having the wisdom and restraint to step back from negative stuff. I think it's especially tricky online, because it's so easy to end up getting pulled into negative stuff, and it can feel like it's impossible to have good faith discussions online. I don't think that's true — however, online communication does demand we put extra effort in if we want to avoid slipping into those harmful patterns.
I'm glad to see that you're working on it, and I wish you luck in your quest.
Thank you for acknowledging it and for sharing your experience, I really am. We're all flawed humans of course. I'm glad that you have been able to work on yourself in that regard as well, I think overall we're all a bit guilty of it at some point, sometimes people just want to get into a fight to prove something to themselves or someone or the world and it has nothing to do with what they are saying. I've found I have a very low confidence in myself and as such I was always trying to prove something. Now I am much happier with the person I am and I have nothing to prove to anyone. I just need to work on letting go of some past tensions and old habits. But again, don't we all.
I should honestly copy and paste this comment in so many situations. A vegan flipped out on me yesterday for literally just challenging an absolute statement they made. I should've just responded how you did.
I know the feeling, I spent way too much time before with that then I realize, I don't want to do this, why am I defending myself so much all the time against angry people who don't know me and are missing my point? I don't even like to argue. Sometimes it feels like Lemmy/Piefed is some kind of psy op to make the left into intolerant assholes as much as the right.
Exactly! So many users act like they've been watching you do horrible things for years, based on one comment they didn't even understand. And if you try to explain what you meant, nope you're lying, they know you better than you do. Good on you for not taking the bait.
My blocklist is way longer than it would be in a semi-sane world...
I just hope others are doing the same and then maybe we can have a bit more of an open discussion without people have a fear of people jumping down their throats for opening their mouths.
WTF? Where do you see anything remotely angry or "judgy"??? (That's not even a word, are you 8?)
Not OP, but, your comment came off as pretty abrasive and presumptuous.
Damn, basically everyone I know is secretly an 8 yo