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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mind telling what those other examples are, and defining in inventing?

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So it needs to be created in real life, rather than just a drawing or design? Or does creating it only as a design without building it count?

Also, all technology is built on previous work, especially rocketry. That would seem to eliminate the possibility of invention in rocketry due to the clause of your own ingenuity, etc. What's the cutoff for invention vs refinement?

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Musk simps try soooo hard and it's hilarious.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even like musk? And how does that have anything to do with SpaceX?

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure repeating his lies well for someone pretending not to like him. Maybe have a few moments of critical thoughts about the marketing BS you believe and who created it?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it an elon lie that SpaceX has incredibly effective cheap reusability in their rockets? That seems pretty well established at this point.

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It isn't well established, look how much NASA paid Russia for launch services, now look at SpaceX. Seriously. For pretending to be fans of this shit in general, it really is only the musk lies you people repeat.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

5k/kg for Soyuz vs 2.5k/kg for SpaceX? I don't get your point. Or are you talking about the ride swaps with Russian and US Cosmonauts and Astronauts respectively to ride in each other's rockets to give dissimilar redundancy?

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the dollars per kilo fallacy. A favorite of people that don't understand the industry but want to repeat the things Musk tells them to. Fantastic. We're already on page two of the script. Now, go ahead and tell me how SpaceX invented something that already existed for decades.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How would you propose measuring launch costs?

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You could start off with actual mission costs, launch support costs, and what missions need to be met. For example, this is why Star Shit is such a moronic idea when Falcon could perform all its launch needs.

Are you about to tell me that a 747 is always cheaper than a Cessna? Is that the next argument in your script, or do we have to skip a couple pages before you bring that one out?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Starship is actually planned to be better on all those fronts than falcon 9. Cheaper per launch, less support costs, more capable and flexible system, etc. There might be some small use case where falcon 9 is still superior, but it will be pretty small if starship works.

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, I now know how little you know. Congratulations tipping your hand here, because truly these are the words of someone that's a fan of Musk and has zero serious thoughts about space. Jeff Bell would be beside himself reading what you've written. Back to the Zubrin books with you.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's guaranteed nothing I could say would make you leave your religion of musk lies. So, I'll pass. Reality is available for you any time you want to try it out, though.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You've not actually said anything or given any evidence other than generally waving towards that Russia is cheaper, but have not clarified at all. If you know some secret sauce, I'd be happy to hear it. But you so far have stayed miles away from anything remotely close to solid evidence.

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm guessing you work at a competitor as a parking lot attendant or something? Because saying Star Shit is going to be better than Falcon is utterly hysterical.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope. Anyway, evidence or references would be nice.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

No, I was going to say that the launch support costs and mission needs are also more capable with falcon 9 than soyuz.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do try hard. So does Musk. That’s probably why we like him.

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bet you like him because he makes you feel like you can be a low effort, low knowledge person and still pretend to know what you're talking about. SUPER popular with fans of his. Especially fans that think being a fan of his companies makes them an expert in a certain field even though actual experts laugh at the nonsense they repeat to one another.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

And you bet that based on solid reasoning and evidence no doubt.