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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Brits, what’s the read on his presumed replacement? I figure he can’t be more of a disappointment than Starmer has been but I’m still curious.

[–] meejle@piefed.world 18 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

It's likely to be Andy Burnham, who IIRC is currently the only British politician with a net positive approval rating. So that's something. 🤷‍♂️ He's been pretty successful (and well liked) as the mayor of Greater Manchester, and generally comes across a bit more human than the other lizard-people in British politics.

He's often described as "soft-left" by the media. So far, he's been a vocal supporter of proportional representation, which is great, but whether he'll drop that as soon as he gets into Number 10 is a different matter.

He's a member of the "Labour Friends of Israel" group, but kinda seems to mostly sit on the fence on that whole issue. (He called for a ceasefire but refused to call it a genocide.)

I'm sure other people will chip in with other problematic things about him, I haven't looked too deeply. 😃

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 5 points 11 hours ago

This is a good summary.

I think whats missing is a lot of the hope being put into Burnham is by disillusioned Labour MPs, and may not reflect actual change.

Burnham is personally popular, but being Mayor of Manchester is generally an uncontroversial role: he can't raise taxes and he has limited power, but he can be noisey complaining about how the Westminster Government mistreats the north and also claim a share in the success for projects like the integrated transport system. Things people don't like in Manchester he can blame on Westminster.

While Burnham is a good communicator, he can't actually change the fundamentals for Labour in government: there is no spare money even after tax rises, the economy is growing slowly (or shrinking slowly factoring in inflation) which both severely limits what can be done. Many Labour MPs fear they will lose their seats in the next election, and can't see how to change things.

Burnham may be better at communicating how bad things are but I think realistically he will also become very unpopular, as the problem isn't the prime minister as much as the reality. "Manchesterism" as a political philosophy is fools gold.

I'd also add: Burnham chose not to stand in the last general election when he would have been a shoe-in as an MP. He has instead had to gamble now to become an MP as he's seen an opportunity to become PM. While is gamble paid off, I'm not sure that shows very good political judgement, and may be a warning about what's to come.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think the only way the UK has of getting it of the mess they're in is to ditch their idiotic election system. They had the Tories in power for most of the last four decades and they've absolutely fucked up the place, while never actually having a majority of the vote. Burnham at least said he wants to do electoral reform so let's hope he comes through.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 hours ago

Burnham at least said he wants to do electoral reform so let’s hope he comes through.

In 2015 Justin Trudeau said he'd do electoral reform for Canada, and we've had 3 un-reformed elections since then. Don't get your hopes up.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

Thanks, sounds like a marginal improvement but I suppose we’ll see about that