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[–] joyjoy@piefed.social 7 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Why is Israel sending children to fight?

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 5 points 7 hours ago

In medieval times 16 was considered an adult. Can get married, sent to war, still listens to authority and doesn't know better. Just perfect.

And I guess pedo-states think of anything above 16 as adult

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago

Everyone does. Perfect age for a war, brain is practically non-developed, but body pretty much is. Closest thing to a mindless drone that we can get without lobotomy, just with some propaganda.

[–] Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 16 points 20 hours ago

It cancels out the bad karma of killing kids if you send kids to do it.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world -2 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The shitshow that is the IDF aside, 19 year olds are perfectly capable of being soldiers. Call me old-fashioned, but I honestly believe that being an adult with rights (e.g. to vote) in a democratic society also implies obligations to that society, and that the two (rights and obligations) should follow each other.

To be clear, what I mean is this: I live in a society that provides me with a solid social safety net, as well as a right to protection if shit hits the fan. I then think it's reasonable that I'm obliged to contribute to that safety net for others (in the form of taxes or community service), and protection (in the form of military service if shit hits the fan). Basically, it's an "all for one, one for all" mentality. We're all better off standing together, which means that we all take care of each other (via taxes etc.) in peacetime, and protect each other (in the form of military service) if necessary.

Since I believe that these rights and obligations should be balanced, I think it's reasonable that an 18 year old (which has all the rights of any other adult in my country) carries the same obligation as everyone else. It would be unfair if, say, 18-26 year olds got all the rights but none (or fewer of) the obligations. That immediately also opens the door to the question of which groups should bear the burden of the obligations, and which groups get only the rights.

Full disclaimer: I think the IDF deserves to be burnt to the ground. I also think (in general) that invading another country is, almost^1^ without exception, abhorrent.

^1^The exception being when you invade a country in defence of another country that has already been attacked, like when the UK attacked Germany in WWII, in defence of Poland, France, etc. without having been attacked themselves first.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago

What rights? What protections?

[–] TheMuffinMan@piefed.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Tried to balance out some of the downvotes! Obligatory fuck the IDF, but I otherwise agree.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, are you a citizen in Starship Troopers?

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

I would honestly like to hear a better alternative. Is it fair, reasonable, or just, that some subset of society is tasked with putting their life on the line to defend everyone else? That very quickly devolves into something like the US system where people with less resources and options end up signing up out of economic necessity. Then they end up fighting and dying for a richer elite that doesn't have a skin in the game.

It's a pretty simple concept really: I'll protect my neighbours if necessary, and they'll protect me. We're in this together. The only incentive anyone should have to be in the military is to defend themselves and their (extended) neighbours.

You can make the exact same argument for taxes: Should some subset of society be taxed, while everyone gets the same social safety net and general rights? I think not: I think everyone should contribute, and that everyone should get the benefits.

As for the starship troopers comment: That society is fundamentally segregated into people with rights, and people without them. It also happens to be a heavily militaristic society. Starship Troopers shows exactly the kind of society I think looks terrible, because most soldiers there effectively sign up out of necessity, while those with resources can live peacefully. I'm advocating for equality, not segregation. I'm also trying to be explicit about saying that the only use of a military should be defensive. You could summarise this by saying that, in peacetime, we should have an absolutely minimal military, and everyone has equal rights. If the need arises, everyone has the same obligation to defend each other.