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[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Want to put some money where your mouth is?

Because I have been getting people elected for longer than you've been alive, and I'm 100% certain you're wrong.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Ford and Carter let Nixon's crimes slide. Bush I and Clinton let Reagan's crimes slide. Obama let Bush II's crimes slide. And Biden appointed a Republican attorney general who initially refused to do anything, acceded only under Congressional pressure, then slow-walked things until Trump could run out the clock.

Again, Democrats are better in terms of general harm reduction, but it's like comparing two plagues. If you gave me the choice, I would vote for another big Covid pandemic over a global Ebola outbreak, but that doesn't mean Covid isn't still a plague.

We have three clear examples of cartoonishly corrupt Republicans committing crimes left and right. Dems are 0 out of 3.

I'm a scientist. I go buy the evidence observable to my eyes. I see Democrats are 0/3 for holding criminal Republican administrations accountable. That's the evidence I'm basing my conclusion on - actual historical observation.

Do you have any evidence you would like to bring up? Because all you've said so far is "trust me bro."

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

What you've posted are just...well, lies. Democrats can and do hold these fuckers accountable.

Reagan's administration saw 138 investigations leading to indictments, prosecutions, and yes, convictions.

Just from Iran Contra, these officials were all convicted or pleaded guilty: two different National Security Advisors, the CIA's Covert Ops lead, and 10 fucking CIA assets (including Ollie North.) We had the Sec Def dead to rights but Bush -- the family literally at the heart of the coup -- pardoned him ahead of his trial.

There was a HUD grant-rigging scandal where the Treasurer of the United States, the Secretary of the Interior and the two Assistant Secretaries and the fucking Assistant HUD secretaries all got convicted.

Reagan's Chief of Staff was convicted of lying to the Democratic Congress. Reagan's Press Secretary was convicted of illegal lobbying.

Go look now and there are like 3-4 other major investigations that led to Reagan-Bush officials getting convicted.

**How about George Bush? ** Lester Crawford (R) Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, pleaded guilty to conflict of interest and received 3 years suspended sentence and fined $90,000 (equivalent to $143,736 in 2025) (2006).

Scooter Libby (R) Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney (R), convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007, and was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000 (equivalent to $388,180 in 2025).

David Safavian (R) Administrator for the Office of Management and Budget[130][131][132] After an overturned conviction and a retrial, he was found guilty of perjury,[133] and sentenced to 12 months (2008).

Robert E. Coughlin (R) Deputy Chief of Staff for the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice, pleaded guilty to accepting bribes relating to the Jack Abramoff Indian lobbying scandal (2009.)

Felipe Sixto (R) Special Assistant for Intergovernmental Affairs, convicted of misusing money. Sentenced to 30 months (2009).[135]

Scott Bloch (R) United States Special Counsel, pleaded guilty to criminal contempt of Congress for "willfully and unlawfully withholding pertinent information from a House Committee investigating his decision to have several government computers wiped...."

Sorry mate, but you're full of shit.

[–] it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm glad you can get excited at the prospect of a handful of cabinet members getting fined a fraction of the millions they enriched themselves by and getting handed 12-month sentences to be commuted while the people they imprisoned for political gain spend years in concentration camps. Where are the presidents on this list, by the way?

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Your ignorant rant doesn't rebut a single goddamn thing I wrote.

The liar said that Democrats didn't hold people accountable and I proved that was a Montel Williams level lie. Now you're going to pretend to have some other conversation? Fuck that Charlie Kirk level of goalpost-moving bullshit. Be better, tankies.

[–] it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems 1 points 6 hours ago

I just think we have different definitions of what accountability looks like. Have a good day.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, I was talking specifically about presidents themselves.

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So your response is to lie?

I guess you can drop the shtick where you pretend to be a neutral "just here observing" scientist lol. Fuck's sake.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

JD Vance? Locked the fuck up without charges forever. Clarence Thomas? Locked the fuck up without charges. John Roberts, Drunken McRapey Kavanaugh? Locked the fuck up without charges.

Yeah I suppose that did get off the rails there. Forgot this all started with, "JD Vance? Locked the fuck up without charges forever. Clarence Thomas? Locked the fuck up without charges. John Roberts, Drunken McRapey Kavanaugh? Locked the fuck up without charges." The conversation did start with discussing cabinet officials. So, I suppose you're right in that regard. Somehow I interpreted it as president specifically.

[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago

You're a scientist who can't spell or use proper grammar?