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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Yeah it was always lies.

It wasn't always lies. The game changed when the other side started electing their extremists, but worse, those more in the center have done fuck-all with what power they do have to act as a check on those other elected extremists.

I think the reason progressives are winning now is that voters have nothing to lose. Far right extremists will fuck them. Most of those closest to the center won't help them, and there's now a precedent of voting in extremists (currently far right) into high office.

If anything I think the elected far right extremists were the best argument for voting for those farther left. There's also the Overton window. 2008's Obama championing the ACA and the 2015 Supreme Court's Obergefell decision looks quite progressive compared to today's centerists.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Running to the center is why fascism arrived, and Democrats have been espousing it as a strategy since the 80's, while Democrats as a brand have basically given up on the concept that government can be a force for good in peoples lives.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

If anything, I would say that running in the "center," abandoning any pretense of hope for a better future for the chance to join a modern aristocracy, is far more of an extremist take than any leftist. If I tell Mamdani the price of bread is too high, he will see it and know it; if I tell Schumer, he won't understand. What is the mark of extremism but the disengagement with reality?

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

The extremism started because neoliberal centrists abandoned middle America for years.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It wasn't always lies. The game changed when the other side started electing their extremists

Which happened during the first term of Bill Clinton.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not following you. Are you saying Bill Clinton was a left extremist?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, very far from it!

I'm saying that far right demagogues, under the leadership of Newt Gingrich, took over the GOP during his first term.

Though in truth, the process had its infancy under Nixon if not even earlier.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I always maintain that the timeline split with the assassination of RFK. Had he lived, he would have been elected president, instead of Nixon, Vietnam would have ended much earlier, and America would have gone down a brighter path in the 70s, instead of the dark path we're still on.

More importantly, Nixon wouldn't have resigned, inspiring aides Cheney and Ailes to conceive a Conservative Propaganda Machine, that would start slowly, but pick up speed after the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine under Reagan in 1986, and the rise of Rush Limbaugh, who bears the credit/responsibility of the 1994 Congressional election, which saw Gingrich and the proto-MAGAs take over Congress, and then the establishment of FoxNews.

It's all Sirhan's fault. He may be the most influential person of the post-WWII era.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Rewind it further and Johhny doesn't get assassinated, exposes the remainders of the Business Plot and dismantles the military industrial complex before it gets further entrenched. Those two moves would have cut off a lot of the forces which led to where we are now.

[–] mangobanana@discuss.online 2 points 1 week ago

Fucking rush Limbaugh is a majority of the reason that "everyday" people moved to the far far right

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I'm surprised what happened to Roe V. Wade hasn't happened to Obergefell

Though I believe Democrats actually codified Obergefell into law... The "Respect For Marriage" act