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[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If you forcibly sterilize a population you are committing genocide.

That's only one allegation against the Chinese government.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz#Criticism

Zenz is a lapsed Catholic-turned-born-again Christian, and he has stated that he feels "led by God" in his research on Chinese Muslims and other minority groups. He co-authored a book in 2012 with his father-in-law, Marlon L. Sias, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation.

https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz

Adrian Zenz has many ties to imperialist organisations, notably being employed as a "senior fellow" by the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation

In his 2012 book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation,[3] which he co-authored, Zenz wrote some of the following quotes:

"Through notions of gender equality...the enemy is undermining God’s unique but different role assignments for men and women"
"Another important God-given authority structure that Satan is attacking through the postmodern spirit is that of gender authority structures"
"It is very likely that the global persecution of true believers will center on the charge that they promote ‘intolerant views,’ especially related to preaching against homosexuality”
“The Antichrist is dependent on the harlot, because he must seize upon humanity's desperate craving for all that the harlot offers in order to achieve world domination. The world will worship him because he will promise them all these things, promoting sexual ‘freedom’ (the unrestrained and godless practice of all sexual behaviors, including homosexuality), control over their affairs (independence from God), and he will vow to maintain people's standard of living”
"... anti-discrimination laws put in place throughout the European Union ... forbid employers to discriminate based on gender or sexual orientation. That way, it becomes illegal for churches or Christian organizations to refuse to hire homosexuals into important positions"
“Hate crime and anti-discrimination laws will likely play a major role in the suppression of biblical Christianity”
“Rising numbers of countries are banning all forms of physical punishment of children, the primary scriptural method for instilling respect for authority in the young generation and protecting them from rebellious tendencies… But true scriptural spanking is loving discipline and not violence, and neglecting the wisdom of God makes the church increasingly vulnerable to the schemes of the enemy”

Notably, he claims that "God's refining process will wipe out all unbelieving Jews" which raises questions as to probable anti-Semitic views.

his initial assertion that up to 1.5 million Uyghurs were interned in "concentration camps" came from an Uyghur separatist group who interviewed 8 people, asking them how many people from their village they thought were in such centres, and averaging the results to the whole population of Xinjiang. This is presented as and unquestionable fact by Zenz.

https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Uygur_Autonomous_Region

Today in the Xinjiang there are 12.7 million Uyghurs, and 9 million Han, and 3.1 million people in other ethnic groups, or 51%, 36%, and 13% respectively.[8] The population has doubled since 1978, and the Uyghur population increased by more than 5.6 million in the same time period.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Demographics

In 2010, the population of Xinjiang was 45.84 percent Uyghur and 40.48 percent Han. The 2020 Census showed the share of the Uyghur population decline slightly to 44.96 percent, and the Han population rise to 42.24 percent

Uyghurs have also emigrated to other parts of China, where their numbers have increased steadily. Uyghur independence activists express concern over the Han population changing the Uyghur character of the region though the Han and Hui Chinese mostly live in Northern Xinjiang Dzungaria and are separated from areas of historic Uyghur dominance south of the Tian Shan mountains (Southwestern Xinjiang), where Uyghurs account for about 90 percent of the population.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

There's a distinct lack of Data for these claims. Unless that all just Lore?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So what you are saying is you support genocides if you agree with the state that is sponsoring it?

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

― Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, I get it.

There's two types of genocides: ones that you don't support and ones that you don't care about.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Claims of a genocide requires proof. That's duly lacking in this case (unless you want to believe blatant propaganda which it seems you are full-throated in endorsing). I'll wait for any clear evidence that is not directly related to ideological propaganda.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Since 2014, the government of the People's Republic of China has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities in Xinjiang which has often been characterized as persecution or as genocide. There have been reports of mass arbitrary arrests and detention, torture, mass surveillance, cultural and religious persecution, family separation, forced labor, sexual violence, and violations of reproductive rights.

In 2014, the administration of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Xi Jinping launched the Strike Hard Campaign Against Violent Terrorism, which involved surveillance and restrictions in Xinjiang. Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang Party secretary Chen Quanguo,[2] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II.[3][4] China began to wind down the camps in 2019, and some detainees were transferred to the penal system, while others were transferred to forced labor and factory work programs.[5][6]

In addition to mass detention, government policies have included suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[7] political indoctrination,[8] forced sterilization,[9] forced contraception,[10][11] and forced abortion.[12][13] An estimated 16,000 mosques have been razed or damaged,[2] and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools.[14][15] Chinese government statistics reported that from 2015 to 2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%.[9] In the same period, the national birth rate decreased by 9.7%.[16] According to CNN, Chinese authorities acknowledged that birth rates dropped by almost a third in 2018 in Xinjiang, but denied reports of forced sterilization.[17] Birth rates in Xinjiang fell a further 24% in 2019, compared to a nationwide decrease of 4.2%.[9]

The Chinese government denies having committed human rights abuses in Xinjiang.[3][18] International reactions have varied, with its actions being described as the forced assimilation of Xinjiang, as ethnocide or cultural genocide,[19][20] or as genocide. Those accusing China of genocide point to intentional acts they say violate Article II of the Genocide Convention,[21][22][23] which prohibits "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part", a "racial or religious group" including "causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group" and "measures intended to prevent births within the group".[24]

At the United Nations, several countries, predominantly in North America and Europe, signed letters condemning China's policies. On the other hand, several countries, predominantly in Asia and Africa, signed letters supporting the policies as an effort to combat terrorism in the region.[25][26][27] In 2020, a case brought to the International Criminal Court was dismissed because China is not a party to the Rome Statute, meaning the ICC could not investigate them.[28] In 2021, the United States Department of State declared China's actions as genocide,[29][30] and legislatures in several countries have passed non-binding motions doing the same, while other parliaments, condemned the policies as "severe human rights abuses" or crimes against humanity.[31] In a 2022 assessment, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) stated that China's policies and actions in the Xinjiang region may constitute crimes against humanity, though it did not use the term genocide.[32][33][34] In 2026, the OHCHR described China's policies toward the Uyghurs as potentially amounting to "forcible transfer and/or enslavement as a crime against humanity."[35]

Persecution of Uyghurs in China

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

always check the sources

[1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YbhU1v_48OxAHokzpWA_aZi8I3hIVcJK/view

This is a report by Rushan Abbas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushan_Abbas

Abbas founded Campaign for Uyghurs. The non-profit is based in Washington, DC

[2] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/04/12/surviving-the-crackdown-in-xinjiang

Adrian Zenz, an independent academic who has unearthed troves of government documents on Chen’s crackdown, estimated that there were as many as a million people in the camps—a statistic echoed by the United Nations and others. Not since the Holocaust had a country’s minority population been so systematically detained.

Adrian Zenz, the academic, uncovered government records from 2018

[3] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2020.1848109

20 Adrian Zenz, “Sterilizations, IUDs and Mandatory Birth Control: The CCP’s Campaign to Suppress Uyghur Birthrates

[4] Paywalled

[5] https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1834&context=gsp

Adrian Zenz’s research on Chinese documents and statistical data on birth rates in 2019

and 9 other mentions of Zenz

[6] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton

and 3 other mentions of Zenz

[7] https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10281.pdf

page not found

[8] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights/muslim-minority-in-chinas-xinjiang-face-political-indoctrination-human-rights-watch-idUSKCN1LQ01F/

No direct link to any sources, but seems to be talking about this one from HRW:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/10/china-free-xinjiang-political-education-detainees

That report cites RadioFreeAsia (US funded propaganda) and Adrian Zenz reporting.

https://jamestown.org/xinjiangs-rapidly-evolving-security-state/

[9] https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764C

according to new research obtained by The Associated Press in advance of publication by China scholar Adrian Zenz.

and 6 other mentions of Zenz

[10] https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_china-forces-birth-control-uighurs-suppress-population/6191919.html

Literally US propaganda outlet Voice of America.

according to new research obtained by The Associated Press in advance of publication by China scholar Adrian Zenz.

I think that's enough for now to get my point across.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That’s you don’t give a shit about genocides if you like the state doing it?

Yeah you proved that a long time ago.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Your rhetorical ability is a hate crime.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I’m just a guy who is against all genocides not just the ones that further my narrative.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not one gram of logical understanding. All those sources are clearly ideological, but you seem to prefer that over any actual proof.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I think I’m missing the part where you showed any proof that China is not committing a genocide on Uyghurs or Russia is not genociding Ukraine.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not one gram of logical understanding.

You are the only one mentioning Russia on a thread about Democratic incumbents losing due to zionism. Your rhetorical ability is like agent orange to any rational thought.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You say you hate genocide but you deny two of them are even happening.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

[citations needed]