Yup, I'm posting another this week. Sorry.
This week I'm hoping we can wrangle a solution around AI and our selfhosted community. There are plenty of strong opinions (both pro and con), but one thing is for certain - there needs to be better disclosure in promo posts. Two options (that aren't mutually exclusive):
- Any posts of an AI focused, AI Developed, etc software gets an [AI] tag. No, a [Not-AI] tag is not needed to accomplish this, thats kind of a "non-golfer" sort of tag.
- Comment requiring an AI disclosure response to every promo post, if its not detailed in the post itself. Specifics (generating docs for commands, translation, whole-boat vibe-coded this app, etc) would be requested.
I will say that having disclosure and/or tagging would mean that comments that just say "slop" or "fuck ai" or whatever would be off topic at that point, that information is already provided, so its just noise (and sometimes pretty uncivil - I've been light on that for now due to the need for a rule on this).
The tag [AI] would make it easy to filter out (or search for, if that's your thing), but there is a wildly different degree of AI use out there, and from the posts with a positive score, its usually due to responsible AI use (translations, a snippet they had to do something obscure with, available to use with AI but doesn't require it, whatever), which is why I think the disclosure has a place as a benefit to everyone.
Please provide any input or alternative options on this, and I can then put it to a vote like the last one. Comments seem to be the best approach without involving something off-site, but if you have a better idea/option, please share.
Also:
Anything with an [AI] tag, first thing in the title, will have a drive-by downvote issue.
Not sure how to deal with that, or if its even a concern.
EDIT:
Maybe it should be something else that's not such a loaded keyword?
[ML] for Machine Learning? [SAI]? [LAI]?
I've been messing with 'AI' for a decade, and even I hate what the term has come to represent.
Oh I'm sure it will be. I don't know if its a concern though - TBD I suppose.
TBD indeed. But it will effectively 'downrank' posts and their visibility, maybe into the negative vote range. I've seen highly negative scores across the board in more machine-learning focused subs, and that's without a tag that catches the eye so easily.
I think even modifying the acronym could make a difference, though (as I ninja edited).
I do like the idea of a different tag, still easy to filter but less of a target like the ai generated communities out there.
For what it's worth, I asked my self-hosted LLM (MiMo 2.5, no network access outside my desktop), and it came with [AIT] (AI-Topic).
...I think that's my favorite so far. [AIP] would work too.
I feel like that "obfuscates" the tag enough to blunt impulse downvotes in /new and feeds, without being deceptive or anything.
Actually both are pretty good - AIT for it as a more discussion oriented, AIP for a project post.
I like it, I think something like that would be a great idea
Oh, both! Yeah. I didn't even think of that, but [AIT]/[AIP] as separate tags makes a lot of sense.
I'd like being able to filter by either, actually.
I guess two tags runs the risk of "rules too complex for some to follow," but that's more of a moderation load question. I have no say in that, heh.
Where should the line be drawn for what is AI coded vs AS assisted (in some manner) and thus tagged?
XerahS is very openly coded with AI and should be tagged. But what about the recent debate about the use of LLM in cURL?
So thats one of the questions that will need to go to a poll, but if I were to give my opinion it would be that any use would mean a tag, and the disclosure area is where it can be detailed.
Otherwise we'd end up with a bajillion differing tags, so a disclosure section makes more sense.
Not tagging for assisted would also mean setting arbitrary lines, and would be way too subjective imo.
So when I write code, I regularly ask an LLM how to do things. A few examples from my history is how I could overlap rows when generating PDF files (have a library for this), how I could assign an empty Char and to create a singleton class. A LLM never changes any of my files, I use it as super-search-engine.
Would that constitute an AI tag?
Yes, because it is a bit different than a search engine. It may not be changing the files, but it is telling you the way to do it. It might give you an outdated method/pattern, it might ignore conventions, and most importantly, it doesn't really understand the problem its solving. Its not finding the optimal answer, its finding the most common.
So the resulting answer may work, but not necessarily be right. In a disclosure (see the new thread) that would be referred to as "hint" for lllm use.
That doesn't mean the answer you got was necessarily wrong either, just an answer based on an amalgam of the most common for all the code fed into the model, no matter when the code was written.
It would be put into an ai disclosure, so it qualifies for a tag. Make sense?
Makes sense, thanks for taking the time to explain. <3
The subtle irony of this shouldn't escape us - your self hosted AI coming up with a solution to the tagging issue, causing you to be down voted.
It's a good idea, anyway. [AIT] introduces just the right amount of friction while keeping transparency. +1 to your clanker's suggestion.
Goood clanker. Pats my desktop.
Yeah. Just not sure what it should be, heh.
I will say, if it still has "AI" in the tag (like [LAI] or whatever), it would play nicer with keyword filters.
This is one of my concerns also.
Yes, since "AI" doesn't exist, maybe we should use more accurate terminology. That would certainly deter those who don't believe in the imaginary grift in "AI".