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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How dare you plagiarize my post in News for a meme!

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I have a good reason, but it would break the Temporal Prime Directive to reveal it.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago

Janeway doesn’t see a problem

[–] lawrence@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 19 points 6 months ago

Overall science TL;DR

Relatively large single-celled organisms such as amoeba often engulf and digest other, smaller micro-organisms. Sometimes they're not digested and the smaller one just continues living inside the big one. This is a big deal because it's how we got mitochondria, which are thought to be descended from free-living, parasitic, tiny bacteria. As we all know, mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell, and indeed, without mitochondria, complex life as we know it could never have evolved. Chloroplasts also evolved this way.

There's been a lot of debate about at what point the little bacterium on the inside stops being thought of as a bacterium and starts being more of an organelle, because it's not just as simple as one organism inside another one, because symbiosis (a mutually beneficial relationship) isn't a binary condition. One facet of symbiosis that I find cool is the exchange of genetic material — did you know that mitochondria have their own genome that's much smaller than ours, and that mitochondrial genomes are inherited from your mum? Genes from the host cell can be transported to the little cell, and vice versa. They can become more optimised, just like how if you moved from a tiny, person flat into a fully equipped 5 bed family home, you might throw away your rusty tin opener.

Most of how this happened with mitochondria and chloroplasts is speculative because of how incredibly improbable this "endosymbiont event" would have been, but now we're getting to see that gradient of endosymbiosis play out, this time with a nitrogen-fixing (captures nitrogen from the air) and an algae. It's very cool, and I'm glad to learn of it.

If you find this stuff cool, one of my favourite pop-sci books I've ever read is Nick Lane's "Power, Sex, Suicide: Mitochondria and the Meaning of Life" — I read it the year before going to uni to study biochemistry and it was accessible, but I learned a ton! Message me if you want a pdf link.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 5 points 6 months ago

Awesome. Thanks. Will read that here in a bit.

I did actually read the article this was based on (Flying Squid posted it to news earlier), but I read things twice like Beckett Mariner: skim it once to make fun of it and then read it in detail later because I'm a nerd. xD

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] ptz@dubvee.org 9 points 6 months ago

That's a valid legal defense in like, 34 US states 😆

[–] dracs@programming.dev 9 points 6 months ago

What's Janeway going to do when she learns mitrocondria was once a separate organism from our cells?

[–] Szyler@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Ed.....ward... Wait, wrong sub.