Anyone who would put the Conservatives ahead of the Liberals on anything hasnβt been paying attention.
I wish we had better options. The NDP could have this in the bag if they actually tried.
this post was submitted on 31 Aug 2023
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Anyone saying they'd vote Liberal instead of any other parry likely isn't a renter. Or you know, you could recognize that different people have different reasons for voting. Agree on your point about the NDP tho, that they're not making hay in the current socioeconomic context is pretty damning on party leadership.
Anyone saying theyβd vote Liberal instead of any other parry likely isnβt a renter.
I rent. I vote Liberal. I'll do it again.
The rules are simple:
- pick a party with a plan (a) that benefits canadians (b) that they can implement ( c) and with enough popularity to win an election (d).
- repeat every election.
Except: (a) isn't conservatives' strong point (b) isn't conservatives' strong point ( c) isn't the greens' strong point (d) isn't the oranges' strong point until we have better voting
It was liberal last time. Until the average IQ goes up and people realize the cons are still schlepping some trickle-down scam and stop perpetuating their mess, we won't get a better party into play.
Don't split the vote. Minority Red is better than cruel blues.
I rent, I vote NDP. Singh has a temper but he's a good guy.
https://www.narcity.com/jagmeet-singh-conservatives-laughing-canadians-cant-afford-groceries
I have friends who rent who would "love to vote NDP but they're never going to win so they vote Liberal as to not throw away their vote". Fuck. The system is broken if people need to vote like this.
I can't wait for my generation to be old enough to be elected.
Well, or strategically voting.
I'm just thankful that strategic voting allows me a party closer to my ideals in an ABC scenario.
Too many racist fucks to vote for NDP sadly
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One more time for the people at the back: POLLS ARE VOTER MANIPULATION
Polls and their news coverage gives people the impression that the outcome has been decided and demoralize / frustrate voters. It's why Thug Ford won a majority in Ontario with just 17% of eligible voters.
SHOW THE FUCK UP TO VOTE, AND BRING THREE FRIENDS.
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
Do you have any research on that you can point to? I was under the impression that polls are pretty good at getting people excited in some situations.
Polls: looks like the same shit!
Me: ties noose
Yeah, but sometimes it's "looks like the NDP is becoming a major party out of nowhere!", like back in the Layton days.
And then we got a Conservative Majority sooooo.... Yeah
Were literally no better off than the Murikan 2 party system
FPTP does indeed suck.
From housing affordability to climate change, Trudeau attempted to reach out directly to the demographic thatβs helped him win past elections
Really? From the guys who
- Did nothing about housing since 2015
- Won't do anything about housing that might inconvenience developers and landlords in any way
- Is talking all sorts of "studies" and "consultations" on housing...
- ...but bought a five billion dollar oil pipeline without having to go on any such consultative exercises.
Please. The Liberals know what they need to do to fix housing (regulation on investment & speculation, massive and direct public housing) and they know that it'll help the youth vote. They don't want to do it, though, because their donor class would scream and they--the Liberals--are allergic to direct public spending.
Until they can find a "market-based solution" they won't do a damn thing.
And anyone who looks to the conservatives when they're feeling "economically anxious" hasn't paid attention to the complete trainwreck that austerity policy is. Think things suck now? Wait until the conservatives get in and do the exact same thing, only with more service cuts and tax breaks for the very rich.
Almost everything you've listed is provincial jurisdiction. We don't have a national securities regulator because the last attempt at one was struck down by the SCC. Most business regulation is provincial, zoning is provincial, property taxes are provincial etc.
The BoC controls interest rates, but they act independently, the PM has no control over what they do beyond who they appoint to run it.
The only way they can get involved is with federal-provincial agreements. The provinces have deep connections with developers, so they're not going to do anything about the real issues of restrictive zoning and so on. Just look at Doug Ford and the Green Belt fiasco.
If you want to fix housing, go after the province. Agree or not with what they did, interprovincial pipelines are a federal responsibility.
I'm quick to pounce on both-sides-ism, but OP seems to make a clear criticism of the Liberals policy history without venturing there. On several portfolios, they have done pretty good work, but to imply that they can do nothing on housing affordability is disingenuous. The feds used to fund public housing, and they could do it again. They could work directly with municipalities if the provinces object (which they probably wouldn't).
They also regulate mortgage rules. Term lengths, stress tests, capital gains rules, etc. There are plenty of levers they could pull to make it easier for new home owners, and harder for real-estate speculators. They could also provide low interest mortgages, or interest relief, to designated groups.
The Feds have all sorts of their own levers they could pull to reign in the housing market. To date, the only levers they've pulled are to increase demand (RRPS withdrawls, shared equity (LOL), FHSA).
I think it should be clearer the Liberals has only done things where people pump even more money into real estate.
I really don't understand why there's any debate whether they would do anything for prices when the person who was their Housing Minister flipped houses and said investor like him was doing Canadians a solid.
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The part I do not understand is why the press have chosen Squinty McProudBoy and his base of racists, assholes, idiots, fascists, nazis, white supremacists, misogynists, and anti choice jerks. Also zero policies other than Trudeau bad. Plus he is a rich entitled land baron who has never held a job outside politics. trump lite is not what Canada needs or will ever need.
Because the media is owned by the far-right billionaire class.
You ever see that graphic of newspaper endorsements over the years? It's very blue. Particularly the American owned papers. No one's looking into that foreign interference though.
Pretty sure he was a Drama Teacher,l. Like the time he grabbed a person in the House of Commons and dragged em though a group of people even though there was a completely open area to their left.
He's a twat that's for sure
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The most pressing issue for young people is housing/cost of living. Whether or not this is typically the responsibility of the federal government, paying only lip service to the issue or saying not my problem enrages people. The federal government needs to actually show some leadership and find some way to incentivize more housing (and specifically denser and affordable housing) at the local level or build it themselves.
While I definitely fault the libs for not doing more, I'm not impressed with the conservative or NDP takes on this issue either.
A lot of us are pissed at the lie about changing FPTP as well.
That's why I won't vote Liberal again. I wanted legalized weed and better elections.
Jagmeet has run out the clock too. The NDP should be making moves. The time is right. As usual they will not. Conservatives will fall ass backwards into power.
It's housing. Which isn't 100% fair since that issue is primarily provincial/municipal. But liberals have always known that the Canadian media (and thus voters) is too dumb for federalism and have never let that stop them from meddling in prov/muni issues before.
I'll never support PP. Between environmental issues, LGBTQ issues, and his general skeevyness, I could never. But I don't blame anybody who is getting renovicted and finding no place to live for noticing he's the only one talking sense on the subject.
It's almost like young Canadians are tired of seeing useless policies that don't benefit them be passed into law time and time again by the Liberal government. Good riddance Trudeau.
There is no political situation so bad it cannot be made worse by voting in elitist scumbags whose entire platform is 'screw you hair guy'
That kind of thinking is what got Trump elected and look at the wonders that did for the USA.
"Liberalism isnt working fast enough, lets try fascism" was a bad strategy
I mean, you're not wrong. You're actually eerily accurate.
People look to systems like fascism when liberalism succumbs to the political version of enshittification, more concerned with short-term political calculus, not offending anyone and ensuring donor cash continues to flow--all at the expense of the welfare of society.
Don't want angry Nazis? Don't make people feel like they have no hope, because some demagogue will come around peddling false hope and rage-farming instead.
What this fails to account for is that the party of nazis and demagogues is heavily responsible for that hopelessness. They somehow manage to successfully pass the blame to the other party who at least are trying to relieve that a little bit, around the margins. This is a case of perfection being the enemy of good, and it is stupid and self destructive in the extreme.
It'll be much better when all those useless policies get passed by the guy in the blue tie.
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They shouldn't be in third place. They should be fourth or fifth place, behind the Rhinoceros Party, Centrist Party, and the Communist Party, or perhaps even the People's Party.
None of the top parties will decide to work hard to make meaningful and positive change if a fire isn't lit under all of them, and there's no fire greater than an insignificant party suddenly becoming a legitimate threat.
And strategic voting has to be actually strategic. All of the parties play the long game, so we have to as well. If we never show them what we really want by voting for the people and policies we want, even when we think there is little chance of victory, none of them will ever see that we like those policies and people.
Given that we have no "none of the above" option that would force the election to be rerun with different candidates, the best strategy now is to vote for one of the fringe parties, ideally one that is satirical. At this point, there is no party that stands for what actually benefits the masses, so we might as vote for the jokers. Could it really be any worse than the mainstream parties that seem to be actively working against our interests?
The Rhinoceros Party then.
Besides, I like Rhinos, so that can't hurt :P
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The federal Liberals are seeing a dive in popularity among younger voters, once the core of their base, falling 23 points behind the Conservatives by the end of August, according to new polling from Nanos Research.
βThat means that the Liberal coalition that was built in 2015, the movement led by (Prime Minister) Justin Trudeau, is slowly unraveling, and they've got to reverse this trend if they want to have any chance to hold on to government.β
From housing affordability to climate change, Trudeau attempted to reach out directly to the demographic that's helped him win past elections.
The prime minister is also meeting with his youth advisory board this week to hear its most βpressing concerns,β with the aim of informing future policy decisions.
Aside from a handful of exceptions, the Liberals have mostly stayed in third place among voters aged 18-29 since the beginning of the year, according to Nanos Research.
For voters in the 30-39 age range, while thereβs been a closer back-and-forth between the Liberals and the NDP since January, the Conservatives have fairly consistently come out ahead, something Nanos chalks up to βeconomic anxiety.β
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Wow, he's decently behind the conservatives too, I didn't expect that. I guess it makes sense in hindsight; the NDP is better at cool kid energy and there's multiple left-wing options, but only one right-wing option.
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