Canada

If you are single this sounds like it might be an interesting opportunity as long as you find a GOOD place to settle in the US. Much like every province is very different in Canada so are the states.

However keep a few things in mind:

• you will be a foreigner ( make sure you know your rights / or lack there of)
• your employment terms may change immediately from being fairly safe and having severance in Canada in law to changing to at will termination in the US depending on the state and situation.
• find out ALL the details of your company medical coverage and its cost before going, everything will cost you money medically in the US but you might get faster service
• If you are thinking about buying a home find out what the laws are for foreigners on a TN visa.. Also find out what the property taxes are as in some states they are VERY high, while the price of the home is attractive.

Alternatively look into low cost of living places in Canada and consider moving within Canada. You may find that there is a lot of difference in the provinces and major cities.

I considered it and did an 8mo internship in Calafornia in 2016. While I would make about 2x what I make here (literally, I made 25CAD/hr in canada and 50CAD/hr in the states doing the same job with the same manager.) I don't think it's worth it for me at least. For one, the medical insurance is kinda insanely expensive, it ate up a huge chunk of the difference in costs while also not being nearly as good and making every trip to the doctors a huge worry and also a cost benefit analysis (and this was with very good, subsidized by my company insurance). I dislocated my shoulder in a biking accident while in Cali, I didn't go to the doctor because I thought it was just a sprain and the doctors would not be able to do anything (while costing me like 200 bucks). When I got back to Canada I got it checked out and they said it was too late to do anything but that it could have benefited from physio when it was fresh.

The healthcare as well as a hundred other factors has knock on effects where poorer folks are very noticeably worse off. Toronto has a lot of homeslessness, but I don't think Ive ever seen a homeless guy using a ruler as a splint on a leg bent the wrong way in Toronto. I don't want to live in a place that does that to people.

Lastly I found public transit to be even more of a joke than it is in Toronto, and as someone that never wants to drive daily that was kinda awful.

While I would probably be marginally more wealthy in the US, I would definitely be less happy, and have a dirtier conscious. I am pretty well off regardless and that was a while ago before the housing crisis in Canada really kicked off so maybe you'll reach a difference conclusion.

Hell no. Alberta is already too conservative/religious for me, I'm not going to go down to some theocratic hellscape to make more money.

No way. I moved here from there (I'm Canadian now!) and every day I'm gladder I got out.

I'd probably make more money there, but there are things I value more than money and my life is significantly better in Toronto than it ever was in any of the three states I lived in.

No. The risks outweigh any possible benefits. If it's a red state then the risks are even higher in terms of quality of education, healthcare and employment.

Why go backwards?

No, im really not. There is too much darkness, and too much hate.

The gun culture, "freedumb" insanity, and lack of basics such as healthcare make me view it fairly close to the third world. the only they thing have better there is more buying power.

So background - Civil engineer with ~5Years of experience. Now fully licensed in Ontario. Have a wife and expecting our first child this year.

My FIL is dual and has been harping on me to move there since I graduated. Pay is, on average, much higher. Current 85k CAD, likely 100-120k USD if I moved.

However as a P. eng I'd need to rewrite two massive technical exams before I'd be able to be licensed there, and not all states have reciprocal licenses, meaning if we moved in the states I may have to rewrite them again. Additionally, with a family, average insurance costs eat up all/most of the difference in salary - my FIL is C-suite executive and that's roughly what he paid for his insurance yearly between co-pays and premiums.

Then add on more tribalism, high prevalence of guns, and the generally huge wealthy disparity they get, and Ive decided it's not worth the move.

But weigh the factors for yourself. If you can, try to go work somewhere for a month or so to see how it feels

nope. lol. Not unless my salary doubles, at minimum, and that's just to make sure I don't go bankrupt from healthcare. Actually fuck that, because if I get an injury that prevents me from working I'm still completely fucked. They're also notoriously anti union and worker rights are eroding day by day

That place is a shit show. Let's not even talk about Republicans...

Hell no, that country seems to be on track for a civil war.

Lol no. Fuck those capitalists

Droughts in the west are going to end up causing mass migrations once all the water is finally gone, and the extreme heat in the east makes me think if anything people are going to be leaving the USA, probably in our lifetimes.

Nope, double nope and, while we're at it, triple nope. Too much hate, guns, racism, inequality and I don't want to raise my kids there. If we had to relocate internationally, I'd rather go to New Zealand.

I live in a small town in Eastern Ontario and work for a company in California. I would never, ever move to the US. Ever. We have it so much better here in Canada.

No. Their cost of living is insane, plus I have T1D, which would be a pre-existing condition under their insurance schemes. Not insurmountable, but would be an ongoing issue. Plus their culture is intolerable.

Nope, I'm happy to sit up here in ol' Canada, living high on the hog, taking advantage of a 1.32 USD/CAD exchange rate.

Hell no. We even talk leaving Canada for Europe because of the influence US has here. I will gladly have a month PTO and better worker benefits, thank you.

We did it for four years. Washington state in the Seattle are is very nice. We met a lot of great people and we have fond memories.

Having said that it was clear early on this was not going to be permanent. Imagine taking your kids to the local park and seeing a sign that said no guns allowed in this park. Wait, guns are allowed in some parks? WTF. That was just a head scratcher. I found it genuinely hard to be in a place where I was decidedly middle class and so many people were so poor and with no benefits at all.

I remember once chatting with a cashier at the grocery store over the weeks as she was pregnant. One day I stopped seeing her and figured she had her baby. Two weeks later she was back. No maternity leave. She took her full two weeks of vacation and that was it. Shit.

Or the conversation I had with a cab driver who talked about still being in debt because his FIL was sick and avoided getting medical attention because none of the family had medical coverage until he had to be admitted.

The medical system is a confusing shambles of insanity. That's if you have good coverage. Once our daughter was sick and the childrens hospital directed us to a closer clinic. We went. There was a discussion about possibly admitting her but in the end she went home. A few days later she was worse so we ended up going to the children's hospital and she was admitted. Turns out the near by clinic was not in our medical coverage group and it cost us nearly $1000 out of pocket. Not fun but doable. The thing is, she was two nights in the hospital where we were covered. If we had admitted her the first day at the wrong hospital it would have cost us at least $10 000.

The whole system is a fucking nightmare of land mines and no one has any clue what any particular thing will cost you.

I just couldn't be happy under those conditions. Side note I'm not happy with the slide in equality here in Canada either BTW.

My job is in high tech and they pay was no better, just even. We lost money on selling buying houses, but that's just timing. I kept track of taxes paid. After medical expenses it was only a 5 percent savings and one medical emergency would too that the other way. Yes, I had great medical coverage.

No way. Stronger dollar is enticing, but the pros dont outweigh the cons in my opinion. The tribalism of american politics, the lack of free healthcare, and the increased risk of gun violence are some of those cons. These alone absolutely kill any interest I might otherwise have in moving to America.

The real cheat code is to work for a US company (and get paid in USD), yet live in Canada (and have expenses in CAD).

I went to the US for y2k , and was there for 5 years.

I came home with the exact same amount of money as I had when I left. And I also got a deep understanding for the absolute depths of cruel poverty in the US and for safety nets they don't have.

Do it. You'll never be the same, and you'll really appreciate Canada better.

Why don’t you just get paid in USD?

It's not without risk. You'd have to see how much money you'd make, your cost of living including healthcare costs. Weigh them against the benefits including simply a change of scenery or sense of adventure, if it's worth it then go forth!

Might not be worth if you already have kids, for reason some people there only care about kids when inside a womb.

The whole American political and justice system is so messed up. Look carefully at the city and state you are relocating to, they're all different.

I sometimes want to go there but many things happening lately make me hug my city of Toronto a little tighter.

Do they have a good healthcare plan? If they don't...well just never get cancer or something.