this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2023
157 points (98.8% liked)

Fuck Cars

9604 readers
880 users here now

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!

Rules

1. Be CivilYou may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.

2. No hate speechDon't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.

3. Don't harass peopleDon't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.

4. Stay on topicThis community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.

5. No repostsDo not repost content that has already been posted in this community.

Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.

Posting Guidelines

In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:

Recommended communities:

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 6 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] celeste@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Rave against the machine!

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To put it into perspective for the British readers. Imagine the London orbital was lacking a bit, e.g. no M25 between Oxted and Merstham, and all the traffic would go through local roads.

The highway would bring extreme noise and pollution to the city.

On the contrary. Closing the ring Autobahn gap would very much reduce the traffic - especially the stop-and-go traffic on local roads. The new piece of Autobahn would be forced to be very low on noise, as Germany already has insane requirements on sound insulation for new and renovated roads - there was a news item recently that they had to erect a sound isolating barrier on a German road to protect a cemetry from the noise. As if the inhabitants would complain.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

Induced demand. This will lead to the motorway being full AND all the local roads also having traffic jams. We saw this happen all over the place. If you were to close of local roads, make the slower to drive or something similar, it might work, but that is not the plan. This is building a motorway throu land, which has perfectly good public transport and is walkable. Cycling infrastrucutre is around, but if you were to actually use unneed local roads to extend that, it would be easy too.

[–] RockyBockySocky@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

So what you're saying is.. just one more lane?

[–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago

To be fair, a cemetery is one if the last places I'd like a noise complaint from.

[–] elouboub@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

They brought it upon themselves. This is being pushed by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and Social Party of Deutschland (SPD), which were confirmed another legislature period of 5 years in April with 64% voter participation.

Decisions are made by those who show up. Now they'll have to live with these idiots in parliament until 2026. I feel for them, but if ~40% of voters can't be bothered to show up to the urns, you have a large part to play in the reason for this even being possible.