Auto pilot beta? People are willing to test betas for cars? Are you insane? Insurance is going to have a field day.
this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2023
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What bothers me is, I have to drive on the road with people running some braindead Elon Musk software?
Have you seen how humans drive? Its not a very high bar to do better.
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From what i read, Auto Pilot (AP) is just to keep u on your lane while Full Self Driving (FSD) just switches lanes into oncoming traffic.
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Even better, several people have died using it or killed someone else. It also has a long history of driving underneath semi truck trailers. Only Europe was smart enough to ban this garbage.
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The craziest part of the article is just how much effort the author put into collecting data and filing feedback and really really hoping that Tesla could pull the videos (they can), then went on to actively try and succeeded in recreating the problem at high speed next to another car.
Not Auto Pilot (AP). There's a difference between FSD and AP. AP will just keep you between the lane lines and pace the car in front of you. It can also change lanes when told to. There's also Enhanced Auto Pilot (EAP). EAP was supposed to bridge the gap between AP and FSD. It would go "on ramp to off ramp". So it could switch lanes as needed and get to exit ramps. FSD is the mode where you shouldn't need to touch it outside of answering the nag (the frequent nag to "apply force to the steering wheel" to tell it you are still alive and paying attention)*.
'* At least I think that's the same for FSD. I'm only on AP with AP1 hardware. Never had an issue that I'd blame on a "bug" or the software doing something "wrong".
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“Some of you may die, but it’s a risk I’m willing to take.” - Lord Farquaad and Musk
Musquaad
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I'm not especially sympathetic to the Tesla drivers this might kill.
I'm worried about everyone else.
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It shouldn't have even been released for normal people to use it in daily life, in real roads full of other cars. This poses a big life risk if you ask me, I hope countries start banning this feature soon otherwise many more other deaths will happen, and Elon somehow will get away with them. What's so hard about driving a real car manually? Did you all become fatass lazy people that don't even have the willpower to drive a car? Ridiculous. ML is experimental and for a machine, it's amazing, but it isn't as good as a human YET, thus causing life threatening accidents. FSD literally is still in beta, and people are driving full speed in roads with this beta software.
It can't be used in the EU. It would need to pass a review, Elon have claimed they are close to getting it through but Elon says a lot of things.
Self-driving cars are actually only legal in a few countries. And those countries have tests.
It's only the United States that just lets anyone do what everyone earth it is that they want, even if it's insanely dangerous.
Everywhere else any car company that's espousing self-driving tech would actually have to prove that it is safe, and only a few companies have managed to do this and even then the cars are limited to predefined areas where they are sure they're not going to come across difficult situations.
In its current state it has basically no chance IMO.
If they'd concentrated in making AP/Highway driving smarter first they might have got that through.. there are already rules for that.. but cities? I'd love to see the autonomous car that could drive through London or Manchester.
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This is like that show "Upload"; the guy literally gets killed by a car
You should finish watching that first episode before making such bold statements.
I mean I think its still a valid point. The car in the show was sabotaged, and that is definitely something that might be a thing once all cars self-drive. Especially once they remove controls like steering wheels.
There hasn't been a tesla FSD hack yet, but it would take spoofing a software update (and spoof the authentication and certs, etc)... The attacker would need to have access to a pretty massive supercomputer to make their own custom self-driving software and today getting the certs and everything right is next to impossible... but even then its only next to impossible, not impossible.
It may be difficult to spoof a certificate today, but tomorrow is a whole new day. To wit, OpenSSL has a pretty long history of serious vulnerabilities, despite being the best SSL library out there.
It is absolutely only a matter of time until the Tesla OTA functionality is compromised. There's too many moving parts for it to not be.
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That was a really good show.
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