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[–] athos77@kbin.social 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In her decision, Howell also accused Giuliani of destroying evidence relevant to the case.

Well, that's interesting. I wonder if he's destroyed evidence in any other cases he might be involved in. (That's rhetorical, btw - if he's done it here, then of course he's done it in the much more serious January 6th case.)

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, who wouldn't? Most people don't commit crimes, which is of course the right way. But if you do, only idiots create any evidence in the first place, but only complete idiots leave that evidence around for law enforcement to find.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed. But most people were never the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, who specialized in taking down hard-to-get-at groups using RICO laws - someone who knows in exacting detail what those laws are and how they can be applied. He knew better than to leave evidence in the first place, and doubly knew that getting rid of it was an especially bad idea of the investigation was at all serious.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean he failed to comply with discovery subpoenas. To me that says that he was more concerned with what might turn up than he was with having to pay damages in this case. If he loses this but avoids larger legal cases because of it that may be shady but I wouldn't call it stupid.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

True. But Iirc (it's hard to keep track) he's an unnamed coconspirator in one of the federal cases, and I think destroying that evidence works more against him there.

He is obviously an idiot, because he's creating evidence left and right. With these people I think it's a mix of stupidity and hubris. They got away with so much crap, they think they'll get away with everything.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Howell's ruling against Giuliani was by a default judgment, as the judge found that he had failed to comply with a number of subpoenas, particularly those pertaining to the lawsuit's discovery phase.

Never go full Alex Jones, it never works out

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But Alex Jones doesn't have a law degree. That's what makes this especially baffling. He didn't do the most basic thing you can do in a lawsuit.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Friendly reminder that the whole theory behind default judgements, is that the court has to assume you did it to hide something at least as bad as what you're accused of.

Or maybe he's just a senile wacko who's had his ego stroked way too much in his life. 9/11

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really am baffled. Even if he's senile, doesn't he have staff?

[–] Wodge@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

He's probably not able to pay them, so I guess they ain't particularly eager to do anything.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember that he's evil, not stupid, and he's capable of making decisions that serve his interests. If he just flat out defied a subpoena it's because the consequences of complying with the subpoena would have been worse.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Yep. He didn't comply with discovery. He is hiding something. I bet we find anyway soon.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Evil people who are not also stupid, don't hitch their wagons to Trump's star.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Wasnt until recently that became an objectively bad idea. I honestly think that if he didn't loudly and purposely fumble COVID we'd already have president-for-life Trump

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I think given the extent to which he has pickled his brain, Giuliani may well be stupid as well now.

[–] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Ah. He used the Alex Jones defense strategy.

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope he's disbarred. At minimum, Bill Barr should get a restraining order against him.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

I hope that these people continue in their refusal to take the court seriously. It used to frustrate me, but I’ve realized that it’s much better than endless delaying tactics and other legal shenanigans.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

LOL, I am really enjoying the schadenfreude. It's gonna be hella funny when RICO Suave is imprisoned.