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Does that stipulation include hybrids or just ice? Seems like it would be more easily attained in hybrids
I like electric vehicles, but when will the charging infrastructure get better? People without garages, ones that live in apartments and cities don't have a convenient way to charge an electric vehicle. Most people living without a convenient way to charge their vehicle can't afford an electric vehicle either. Hybrids are a lot easier to have now until the infrastructure gets better and they meet the 50mpg.
I see more and more stores and parking lots with EV parking/charging. Once it becomes a value-add for the average car user many apartments and shared parking spaces will start to include EV charging.
I don’t understand the comment arguing about upgrading power infrastructure. EVs don’t use more electricity to charge than say a fully electric water heater or any major appliances/tools that a maker has at their homes. Maybe in some more rural areas, but then again, those are the places that 3-phase 240v already exists to support farming/processing tools.
If you add thousands of electrical car chargers to the grid without upgrading the carrying capacity of the transmission lines and the power generating capacity of the power plants you'll have more demand than what the utilities can supply.
It isn't even the charging infrastucture, it's the distribution infra. There are a lot of upgrades from the main HV transmission lines to the last mile that need to be taken up by an order of magnitude if everyone starts to drive EVs.
I mean, it's not impossible, but we'd better start now. Hell, AC use alone has brought places like Texas to its knees, now add EVs to that demand.
Texas has those problems because they refuse to be a part of the national grid. EV charging/demand has little effect on a national sized grid. A fully electric water heater draws more power for long periods of time than any EV I am aware of. And those are everywhere in the US.
3-phase 240v service is already available in most modern homes and def available to most apartment complexes that have to supply power for hundreds of apartments.
240v is available in most homes but three phase is very rare for residential areas unless they are right next to an industrial zone.
Also a standard 4K heater runs about 3 hours a day and is usually the biggest power draw in a house depending on ac. That is about twice the draw of a class 1 home charger but the charger is probably being used for at least 6 hours for a daily driver. So it's realistic to almost double a houses daily use with an EV.
EVs are great but we do need to upgrade the infrastructure to handle them. It's still a lot less infrastructure then we use to distribute gasoline.
But it’s really not. Sure, we need serious upgrades to support the end result, but that’s not a place we suddenly get to. The same years/decades it takes to get there are what we have to grow infrastructure to match.
Distribution infrastructure handles current power needs and has some buffer built in to handle expected growth, so no big deal to install more chargers. Distribution infrastructure already reacts to growth - as it approaches capacity, utilities have incentive to build more. In that sense, this is just like all other power uses, and no big deal.
The real difference is the speed. Most people are expecting a faster transition to EVs and electrification than distribution growth has historically supported. While this does need to be addressed, there’s no reason for it to block buildout of chargers. It’s fine in the short term and in the long term, the biggest driver of increased transmission will be that demand.
Landlords have even better govt incentives to install chargers than homeowners do. But why should they? It’s all down to motivation. Chargers still cost money and do not make a profit in themselves.
So how do we change that? The best way is for EVs to become ever more common. Landlords will install chargers when there’s enough demand, when it’s a competitive factor that makes a difference in whether they get tenants and how much they can charge. Currently there are only a few EVs out there so it doesn’t matter: landlords can just ignore them.
I wonder more about HOAs. I know they’re notoriously conservative/reactionary, but they are run by homeowners. They are closer to the people who want chargers. Why aren’t more of them installing chargers?
How many amps is that?
A gallon of gasoline is roughly 33 kWh, depending on a lot of variables.
Most new cars can do that already though can't they? I'm not part of the 'new car demographic' but even when buying used cars, i wouldn't buy one that had lower mileage that that.
I was looking at a Ford Focus station car from 2011 that did 21km/l and the target above translates to that too!