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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, all of this “inflation” and “rising cost of housing” bullshit is essentially wealthy people turning the screws. They know regular people can barely make this work, and they love that.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm traveling in Europe right now and the prices everywhere are so reasonable it really pisses me off. Inflation my ass, I'm convinced it's just American corps squeezing us for everything we got.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where in Europe and what items?

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Spain and Germany this trip.

Very nice hotels for €100 in downtown areas that would cost easily $300/night in USA. Food in restaurants and cafes very reasonably priced, I got a couple coffees and pastries for like €8 and the coffee alone would be that much in the states let alone multiple pastries. €5 felafel. I can't remember the last time I paid less than $15 for lunch.

Gas is super pricey but who cares when your cities are designed to be walkable and you have great public transport everywhere.

I get that I'm on the tourist route so this doesn't represent true cost of living, but I understand rent is far cheaper in general, plus availability of healthcare and education leads me to believe COL in general is lower and some googling supports this.

I don't know anything about their tax policies so I can't comment on that either.

Comments welcome.

[–] dystop@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Amen.

You can't keep slaves anymore, but you can own a company and pay your workers an amount that makes it hard for them to pay for basic necessities so they don't have time for leisure, or organising unions, or finding other jobs. The workers are free to go, of course, but then they'll fall into financial ruin and not have healthcare.

[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

That's exactly what it is, then I've had people laugh at me when I compare it to slavery.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reminder that slavery was never outright abolished in the US, the constitution explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime which is why private for-profit prisons are a thing in the US.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need to abolish that and make prisons truly rehabilitation facilities.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a nice thought, but there are a lot of very bad people in prison. More often than not because of the system.

There is such a thing as too far gone.

[–] _kenji@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Can't we do both? I think the issue is that we're sending people who can be rehabilitated to the same place we're sending the "very bad people" with little to no hope of reintegrating into society

[–] Beliriel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The thing is this is purely cultural conditioning. And every nation has to ask itself what it is willing to sacrifice. In European countries e.g. people sacrifice a few (read 10-20) unlucky victims amongst millions to people that are "too far gone" and exploit the rehabilitation system by being repeat offenders. The US sacrifices extremely large parts of their relative population (over 1 million prisoners) and minorities on very flimsy accounts and puts them away for good, sometimes with no reason. All to prevent repeat offenders and keep them locked away.

So you gotta ask yourself are you willing to completely ruin the lives of a million people (and have probably a greater death toll than a few dozen from that) and not have to trust anybody or are you willing to sacrifice a few innocent people on the grounds of failing to rehabilitate rare "uncurable villain" criminals?

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I wish one of the bigger industrial countries had the balls to curb the state-like influence of billionaires, by flat out capping the amount of wealth they get to wield. It's not even that people should not be allowed to be "rich". But "rich" should mean owning 1-50 millions or so. Not billions.

[–] Amilo159@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You should try visiting Scandinavian countries. While being ultra rich isn't disallowed, it's so heavily taxed that ultra rich end up providing more for the welfare than any other group.

... that is until they move out to Switzerland.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not true at all. Sweden has worse wealth equality than the US. Sure we have high income taxes, but basically no wealth or inheritance taxes. The only reason social democracy ever took off in Scandinavia was due to the fear of the nearby Soviet Union. The moment the Soviet Union collapsed all the countries of Scandinavia started dismantling the welfare and privatising.

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

An inconvenient truth is that life was a lot better for the working class in a lot of countries before the Soviet Union fell.

[–] Username02@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh no Switzerland is in shamble 😰

[–] KIM_JONG@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Lol 1 million doesn’t even buy a house where I live.

Rather than worrying about trying to tax 1 person heaps (they will dodge it anyway)

Why not put in place improved worker protection and pay laws.

Higher minimum wage - say equal to the bottom quartile median house price in the area, mandatory health care even for the lowest paid employees, absolutely no overtime.

They can dodge this by moving manufacturing overseas... But they already did this.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Take a minute or two to look into how poorly wealth caps work. There's a reason why no nation has them.

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[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Progressive history nerd with an "aKshUlLy" for you to consider:

Slavery was never abolished, it was moved. There are more slaves in the world today than ever before and the US (among others) is funding it. Our stores are full of goods made by slaves. It's worse now than when slaves were just farmhands because those old high paying factory jobs were still a boon for the domestic worker. Those are slave jobs overseas now. A foundational economic pillar of stable, unionized labour was removed and never replaced.

So certainly, stagnant wages and everything is costing more and giving us less. Our current spiraling situation for workers at home is deplorable and getting worse, a true dystopia. But slavery is another kettle of fish. There's a scene in Roots, the miniseries from the 70s about slavery. When we get to the aftermath of the civil war in the south, a governor told the nervous former slave owners that like peter rabbit trying to get into the garden, when the farmer puts up an obstacle, you just find a way around it. For a time, that meant chattle slaves simply become indentured slaves, working to pay off costs they can never quite catch up on. Once that was abolished, we just laundered our slavery through international borders. Out of sight out of mind for the average American. It's the same people doing the same thing, it's just a shell game. The oppression of the working class is intersectional as fuck with slavery, has the same root cause, and evolved along side slavery, but the human suffering experienced by actual slaves is much worse than the typical underpaid worker, so for me, I don't think it's quite the same thing. But this is just symantics.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Educated in history here (history should have no bias), while there are a greater number of slaves today they represent a smaller portion of the population than during the 1800s. In addition modern slavery is not the same as chattel slavery which is infinitely worse given that it denies the slave's existence as a human being. Im not saying slavery is OK Im just saying your claims aren't entirely accurate.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has always been the case. Look at immigrant exploitation, the truck system, sharecropping, child labor, exporting work to undeveloped countries to exploit unregulated labor forces there.

It was always about bringing back slavery without calling it slavery.

And it will always be so long as we let them keep trying.

Violence is not the answer until the hour that it is.

[–] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These kind of conversations will get to the attention of a 3 letter agency. Our just social stances will get lemmy raided.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

I half wish it did. Within the far-right sectors of the social mediaverse, calls for murder or desires to engage in pogroms are commonplace, and are typical in the social media histories of rampage killers in the weeks leading up to their respective incidents. It's conspicuous how often their rage-filled comments discussing violence have failed to trigger an investigation to see if that there fellow needs to be watched for a while.

In my case, I'm not going to engage in violence. At very least, I'm not fit for service in mischief or sabotage. My own next step is to do some research on mutual aid organizations which can serve to support protestors and, if necessary, saboteurs and other makers of mischief.

My comment is a reminder to myself that yes, violence eventually does end up on the table, as happened with Iran when the Mahsa Amini protests were responded to violently by Iranian law enforcement, which is when the banners were swapped for molotov cocktails, and state offices were burned to the ground.

In our case, we know the public will not gain rights until we make it disadvantageous to our governing officials to not do so. And as we're seeing, they're glad to take those rights away once they believe the threat has subsided. This is the justification for The Terror in France: while The Terror itself ended with Robespierre, the guillotines came out and aristocratic heads were piled high multiple times in the following century when kings had a propensity for rolling back established constitutional rights.

So long as we're not going to tear the establishment down to distribute power more sparsely, we're going to need some way to hurt officials who fail to defend the public interest from their donors, maybe so hard that it hurts the donors. How to do this is well beyond my pay grade, but without such capacity the transnational white power movement is going to continue advancing, and we can expect the US Supreme Court to keep stripping away our rights.

[–] Canis_76@feddit.nl 22 points 1 year ago

Trying? Abolished? Sigh. Words. Slavery never left. Put all the pretty paint you want on those bars. It's the change of perspective that comes with wisdom. Use that power well.

[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

Nothing divine or important about that.

So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lets finally change it. Lets just get up and act, fuck it. I don't want to play the game anymore.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Individual action won't accomplish anything it has to been collective and coordinated. Without strong unions I don't know how that's possible

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Amazon workers with their forced over time go unheard.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

They've lured us in with the promise of overtime to get us to work for them more, while keeping our wages artificially low so we have to work overtime.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Our only hope is to become a strong union country. Without collective power we'll never reign in the greed of the billionaires

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is actually a way better and more efficient form of slavery. You need to feed, clothe, house, and medically treat slaves. WAY cheaper to pay minimum wage and tell them to fuck off.

You could pull yourself out of this misery by your own bootstraps. I sell those for only $20. It's not a set though. And they rip easily, better buy some more.

You can work for it, I'll give you one strap per week.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's this "trying to" bullshit? The for profit prison system and a legal system that punishes people for being poor would suggest they have already largely succeeded. Never mind that slavery is explicitly legal when it comes to prisoners.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Humans get powerful and don't see the point in power unless they can abuse people

[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You guys don't have a 40 hour work week?

Is this an American thing or a certain industries thing?

[–] Wilshire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are some exemptions, mostly for salaried workers.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime

The FLSA requires that most employees in the United States be paid at least the federal minimum wage for all hours worked and overtime pay at not less than time and one-half the regular rate of pay for all hours worked over 40 hours in a workweek.

However, Section 13(a)(1) of the FLSA provides an exemption from both minimum wage and overtime pay for employees employed as bona fide executive, administrative, professional and outside sales employees. Section 13(a)(1) and Section 13(a)(17) also exempt certain computer employees. To qualify for exemption, employees generally must meet certain tests regarding their job duties and be paid on a salary basis at not less than $684* per week.

[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Am I reading right that they can pay you half pay for overtime, or do they mean that overtime is minimum 150% regular pay?

[–] Wilshire@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The latter.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some industries (like mine) have mandatory overtime, but workers are absolutely compensated for that overtime.

The UAW is one of the most powerful unions in the US, so I'm not sure exactly where this post is coming from (as in, what specifically they are chasing via union action in this post), but from the context of other news it sounds like they're wanting similar comp without mandatory overtime in their industry.

[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was not aware that mandatory overtime was a thing.

Seems kind of shit. Means that there is potentially no limit for how many hours they could make you work, and it's obviously not healthy.

I've worked in a company that allowed overtime before but it was all optional. They would be like "is anyone willing to work this holiday?". Depending on how low demand was, you could be paid up to double as much on those days.

It was a manufacturing company so running the line is crucial to revenue.

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[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

Nothing divine or important about that.

So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

With enough inequality and without a strong social net, wage labour is equivalent to slavery. They cover the minimum costs of your survival and you spend as much time working as they ask or else they'll find someone more desperate.

[–] onionbaggage@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

Ironically posted on Ex Twitter.

[–] trippingonthewire@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Slaves used to wear chains. Now they're all in debt. They've expanded slavery, that's all.

[–] LaoisheFu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

'trying to make' 'have made'

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