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I'll note that heat stroke victims in Phoenix are more likely to survive this year than in the past due to ambulances stocking body bags full of ice.
I'm indifferent to their suffering, not because of their political opinions, but they aren't the frogs slowly heated in a pot, they're the ones who threw themselves on the hot skillet even as they felt the heat to know the danger beforehand.
I pity the homeless, who can't find safety in this heat, not the ones who had the means to avoid it and succumbed to it when they knew the danger
It's fun to watch them suffer. They've all earned it.
How the fuck is calling for suffering of someone else upvoted? You people got so far into tribalism bullshit you don't see them as actual humans anymore
I can speak for the OP but schadenfreude ia a thing, that aside speaking for mysel, I'm certinaly indifferent as I would be if a drunk driver crashed and complained about the car repairs, the inconvenience of not having a vehicle and the sore ribs. You were fucking drunk driving you shitty human being!
I'm also mindful of Karl Poppers "Tolerance of Intolerance," if you tolerate these shit stains, you end up with civilisations collapse and an unlivable world. So while not agreeing with the person you responded to I can certinaly understand it. Theyre doing very real damage to other humans; women, minorities etc and intent on destroying the biosphere. They are literally and proudly the bad guys.
No, this isn't "car driver crashes into a tree, complains about repairs". This is "people with a different political opinion are suffering, yaaaaaay!"
No. Again, this has nothing to do with tolerance. This is 100% tribalism and "lesser man" philosophy. You can disagree with someone and not be celebrating when they get heatstroke, it's basic empathy
This isn't a "different political opinion". Climate change isn't an opinion, period. A different political opinion is supposed to mean a different policy solution to a specific problem, not wholesale ignoring reality.
Okay, does that mean you would celebrate these people dying and getting hurt?
So dramatic. There's a difference between shadenfreude and celebrating death.
Ah yes "they deserved it, good" = Shadenfreude, not totally being an asshole without empathy. Time to go to a local oncology center and shadefreude conservatives with cancer, huh?
You need to learn about nuance. Thanks for letting us know that shadenfreude is bad, karma is bad, fuck around and find out is also bad, do stupid stuff and win stupid prizes is bad, irony, also bad, leopards eating faces, beleive it or not, bad. Let's all pour one out for aggressive drivers getting speeding tickets, all the bullies out there who got punched back, and anytime justice is a served while we're at it. If someone displays any emotion besides unbridled empathy for adults inflicting misery on themselves in all situation, bad!
Way to go with the slippery slope fallacy huh, buddy. First of all - you shouldn't feel satisfaction when someone gets hurt. No matter if they are speeding, if they were overeating or if they smoked.
Let's also not call this "any emotion". This is "feeling satisfaction because of others surffering".
So I took a browse through your comment history out of idle curiosity. You're an "um actually" concern troll that just looks for things to argue about. It's pretty obvious you don't actually care. Maybe you shouldn't feel satisfaction with being a contrarian assbag for entertainment.
Amazing, discrediting someone for being a "concern troll". Or maybe I don't like it when people get hurt and call out people who wish others harm. Because yaknow, I'm not a horrible person.
Comparing schadenfreude with wanting a genocide does not a good person make.
Slippery slope would be the person comparing self-inflicted heat stroke whilst supporting a fascist climate denier to getting cancer. Let's make sure nobody ever has to face consequences for their actions ever again, what a noble fight! Thank you for making the world a better place.
Facing the consequences of their actions, and a different person going "oh yes let them die en masse I feel so satisfied" is two entirely different things
This is "people with a different political opinion are suffering, yaaaaaay!"
To be fair, the issue isn't that they have "a different political opinion", the issue is that they will cause insane amounts of suffering and deaths down the line if they get their way. Climate change will kill millions of people, and trump and his supporters seek to make it even worse for short term political gain (aside from the attempts to install an authoritarian dictatorship and all that stuff).
That being said, I'm also not happy when indoctrinated people suffer, regardless of their murderous ideologies. Imo it's more of a cultural issue, and nobody has any direct control over the culture/social environment that they grow up in.
So the only thing stopping you from celebrating the suffering of other people is how closely their political opinions are to yours, and if you feel they've acted with negligence in their political support?
Can you explain how this is not a tribal vendetta?
These people are causing their own suffering and contributing to that of many many others. Your instinct to boil this down to "political opinions" shows your own bias - since you can't defend the position itself you must reduce it to "just an opinion". Anthropogenic climate change is not a political opinion, it's a real thing that is happening in reality.
Read the second paragraph again. I explicitly said that I'm not happy about their suffering, regardless of their political opinions.
It's just disingenuous to claim that people merely take issue with their opinions when it's the actions that are the real problem, although that still doesn't justify schadenfreude.
It's not yay suffering, it's yay suffering they completely caused themselves
It's still "yay suffering".
Oh sorry let me go back to respecting the people who believe I don't deserve to exist. Fuck off
You are doing the exact same right now - enjoying their suffering and wanting them to die
Getting a small satisfaction from people getting heat stroke due to their own horrible choices is not the same as wanting to kill all queer, immigrant, and brown people but nice try.
Ah yes, the "small tiny tiny satisfaction" and the other side is "wanting to kill everybody". Don't you see how hypocritical this is? It's literally tribalism to the max, excusing "your own" side and making a fuss about "the others".
You are literally comparing genocide and self induced heatstroke lmao
Should you derive satisfaction from either?
Its not even comparable, schadenfreude from someone getting heatstroke due to their own stupidity is not even remotely similar to wanting to kill people you don't like. If you can't see that then thats on you.
If there was any truth to the whole anti christ thing then trump ticks off all the boxes.
Wow, this would have been too implausible to be an Onion story.
I don't understand what happened with the left. Right wingers exercise their beliefs on the edge of sanity and it's a proper place to suggest a new perspective that doesn't contradict reality that much.
People on the left actively propose interesting ideas (eg: green new deal) — but the press is owned by a bunch of billionaires, which means that it actively supports right-wing positions. As a result, what you hear about is stories about how they're secretly communist efforts, rather than any kind of evaluation of how those policy changes would affect people.