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Quote from the article: “The inclusion of intrusive DRM softwares [sic] like Denuvo is a choice that yields an unfair punishment on the consumer,” Running With Scissors says. “Respect the consumer, make a game they want to play, and you will never feel the need to fight piracy. The gaming industry deserves a better future, fight for that.”

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[–] privadesco@feddit.nl 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Denuvo is the apex of a long history of bad choices.

Maybe actually sell us the games in a way we really own it, without any sort of online activation/account/telemetry/data-gathering like when we could buy a disc and just use it, and it should all be ok.

I feel like a dinosaur every-time I think this nowadays, but what is so problematic with the "own as in physically own" that is so hard to implement? If they want to provide a service, sell a service.

In the past I used pirate versions of games I bought just to be able to play them offline, or because I did not agree with the terms of service. It is so much for our info, it goes beyond just knowing you are the real owner of the software copy: it comes to the point where it looks like it's to guarantee we are not its' owner.

Now some DRMs even destroy gaming performance and its just faster to use 'ked versions. I hope it changes somehow.

[–] azerial@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Even the devs hate denuvo. It slows down the build times and makes it hard to debug.

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[–] BrownianMotion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Release a DEMO, like the old days. So we can DECIDE FOR OURSELVES!!

Its a simple fucking technique. We only pirate to try, if its shit - then fuck you. If its good - then you have a purchase.

[–] Alimentar@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

That's the problem though. They want you to commit to a purchase and hope that you forget about your 2h grace window

I mean I just pirate it and play the pirated version lmfao.

No sense in paying money at that point

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Actually yes.

In my childhood it wasn't very easy to find a licensed copy (TBF, even pirate copy sometimes), but demos would be distributed with magazines etc.

And after playing a demo which you like a licensed honestly bought copy becomes emotionally much better than piracy.

It was a working mechanism. For games which are not crap anyway.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can return games on Steam tbh, enough of a demo for me if you're a Steam user.

I think you can also return physical copies? Depends.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Two hours really isn't enough for a lot of games. Some games you can't even get through the tutorial in two hours.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Postal" is such a steaming pile of edgelord shit that even Civvie11 doing videos on the franchise doesn't make it any more bearable for me.

Critical support for this developer's message here, that said.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I appreciate Postal 2 because the premise is kinda funny. It's deliberately designed so you can beat it without doing any violence at all. You're given tasks like get milk, pick up your paycheck, etc. And it involves standing in lines or people berating you. You're stuck doing tedious annoying repetitive tasks, or you can get a flamethrower. I think standing in line to get Gary Coleman's autograph takes 90 minutes if you do it normally.

Otherwise it's very silly early 2000s edgy white guy dudebro humor

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Abolish intellectual property (and private property in general)

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me.

The sign was painted, said ‘Private Property.’

But on the backside, it didn’t say nothing.

This land was made for you and me.

[–] Trebach@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And the sign said anybody caught trespassing
Would be shot on sight.
So I jumped over the fence and I yelled at the house,
"Hey, what gives you the right
To put up a fence to keep me out
Or to keep mother nature in?"
If God was here he'd tell you to your face
"Man, you're some kind of sinner!"

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the best way is to just have basic piracy detection, if someone trips it, then have a message that you can get past appearing guilt tripping them for it lmao

[–] CluelessDude@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

Back to OG times in gaming where you would have stupid hats saying pirate or other weird things happening in game like not being able to complete it if it was cracked, good times.

[–] boog@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do I need to repeat the Gabe Newell line again?

[–] Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have always wanted to be a giant space crab?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 year ago

"Piracy is a service problem?"

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

"These things... they take time" -Gabe Newell

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Crackers: We don't do it for the piracy, we just like the challenge.

Denuvo: Try this one then.

Crackers: Too hard bro, at least give us a chance!

I acknowledge that this isn't going to be a popular opinion in a piracy sub, but the main reason people hate Denuvo is that it works.

It's basically killed the entire game hacking scene, because by the time they break it, nobody is interested in the game any more. There's like one person left that can do it, and they're more than a little bit odd.

It may be "anti-consumer", but you know what was worse? All the other shit they tried on PC. Always online bullshit. Single player games that you couldn't save any more if your connection wobbled. Actual rootkits.

[–] ne0phyte@feddit.de 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People hate Denuvo because it requires a regular connection to the Internet and has a big impact on the performance of games.

I'm not buying these games not because I can't pirate games with Denuvo (I don't really pirate games at all anymore) but because they tend to run like shit.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 14 points 1 year ago

I pirate because the original runs like shit.

[–] SlippyCliff76@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen Denuvo combined with the always online requirement with the latest Far Cry 6 on steam. The always online requirement makes a cracked version worth it in my use case.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Most bad Denuvo stuff seems to come from any extra DRM they add as well, just in case Denuvo wasn't enough. Always online sounds like one of those extras, because I don't think it's part of Denuvo itself. I think the Denuvo online requirements are when you install, every X days (seems to vary from two weeks to a month, probably configurable per game), and when you change your hardware configuration.

Denuvo alone is enough, because as soon as Denuvo is removed, the rest can be removed by regular mortal hackers.

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Death to the concept of intellectual property and all but I've never actually felt Denuvo making problems for me when I played a game using it, you're right it seems to be working as advertised.

I'm still hoping someone to crack it in a more reliable and fast manner, fuck large gamedev companies and their profit margins.

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[–] gjghkk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I acknowledge that this isn’t going to be a popular opinion in a piracy sub, but the main reason people hate Denuvo is that it works.

You act like this is some hidden secret lmao. You should change your name to Captain OBVIOUS.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

damn you fucking got their ass

[–] cyberpiggy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Basically lit the fuse to keep people pirating...

[–] HeavyCream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I’ve seen RWS’s take on this a bunch recently. This feels like a feel-good PR move because they don’t have any substantive updates on their actual games.

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