I think it’s time to accept 737 Maxes are just cursed and scrap them for parts.
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2024
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I mean ... let's keep everything the same but slap way bigger engines on the planes, then because it's the "same airframe" there's no need for pilot retraining! Isn't that convenient, Southwest? You know, the airline that flies exclusively the 737 and didnt want to retrain any pilots. Everything is working out great, right?
Boeing has fallen from an engineering powerhouse into some lines on a wall street asshole's spreadsheet.
You mean lines that some wall street asshole does off a sheet.
I'm no aerospace professional, but that would probably be okay. The issue with the max 8 is the software changes they made, like the addition of the MCAS, which changed the behavior of the computer system, without telling the pilots.
It wasn't just retraining, using an old certified airframe let's them skip the airframe certification process. There are similarly some helicopter companies that do similar and make emergency save your life vehicle fireball death traps rather than certify a new design. It is like airframe design died in the 1960s to save money.
You may be right. The FAA already grounded and inspected all MAX 9s. Now it seems like MAX 8s are next.
SW on the crash: "We love safety. Nothing is more important than safety! Don't associate our brand with negative feelings, associate it with safety instead :)"
Fucking lmao
What crash?
Oh lmao, I misspoke. Thanks
At least they didn't ignore the terrain alarm.
I read somewhere but can't find it now about a time where a plane crashed or nearly crashed because the older pilot was sure the "terrain" alarm was a mistake and ignored the directive to pull up. I believe they were flying on instruments (common these days at night or poor visibility).
"Bloomberg reported the memo indicated a “newer” first officer was flying at the time and inadvertently pushed forward on the control column."
So, is this another "pilot tries to crash the plane" incident? It's hard to imagine how a pilot could "inadvertently" shove the controls forward, especially at that altitude when both would totally dialed-in to flying the plane and doing their checklists and whatnot (vs. say, getting up to go to the toilet or something). Fortunately, "the event was addressed appropriately as we always strive for continuous improvement" said SW, so now I feel better.
The MAX 8 was previously the plane that flew into the ground twice because a pilot would push the plane up and the software that is required to keep it in the air (MCAS) would auto correct and send them straight down thinking they were climbing into a stall. So this could be a pilot issue, but this plane also has a lot of issues and it totally could be the plane over correcting.
MCAS, ~~(must crash airplane system,)~~ the system that caused those crashes is present on all max variants. The involved aircraft were max 8's because that was the first to enter production.
Every other max variant has the same system. Changes to, and knowledge of MCAS should prevent future crashes but this is an issue that affects every 737 max, despite only max 8's crashing from it.
You’re thinking of the max 9, not 8
You're incorrect. 2 MAX 8 crashes killed over 300 people.
MAX 9 had a door plug blow out. Nobody died.
So I am, my bad.
It's not hard to imagine. Spacial Disorientation is where your brain can't tell the difference between acceleration and climbing very sharply. It happens when there's no visual references. It sounds like the flight was dealing with overcast weather, so there might not have been a true horizon.
It's happened before. Atlas Air Flight 3591. United Airlines Flight 1722. Flight 1722
Good ol’ somatogravic illusion.