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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is some really expensive hardware for a processor that's a couple generations behind in performance.

Also, I'm surprised these can be shipped to the US. I thought this tech was sanctioned or something related to it, or perhaps, it might soon be.

EDIT: Ah, looks like it's legal to purchase even as an entry on the US Entity List, but I am not a lawyer.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

A couple generations don’t mean much anymore.

Performance gains have been slow.

I’d rather understand where exactly is its performance in comparison to AMD and Intel.

Then I can make a call if it is worth it.

After all there’s plenty of Raspberry Pi level performance and people are happy with it as long as price is right.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Less than $400 for mobo, cpu and fan is not expensive even if it's a couple of gens behind

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, it's a 4 core MIPS CPU, tops out at 2.5GHz and apparently compares to an i3 10100F, which is pretty much "reheated Skylake". This with native code.

It can translate x86 and ARM code in theory, but I can imagine the performance degradation. You can buy this if you want, I know I won't

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it runs Linux no need to translate anything. It's been a while since I ran Unix on a MIPS CPU but it should just work.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not every app on Linux is compiled for MIPS, or am I wrong? I mean, technically Windows 8 RT could run natively on ARM without problems, except you couldn't run any apps, which made the whole thing 100% useless.

Unless every app can run natively, you'll always have to run some sort of translation layer, either in software, hardware or both. That layer will have native performance.

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a Linux distribution for a particular architecture all code is compiled to the underlying CPU architecture. Packages can also be built from source.

Proprietary software is different since it doesn't give you the freedom to build things from scratch. There are emulators, of course, but they all fundamentally suck.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a Linux distribution for a particular architecture all code is compiled to the underlying CPU architecture. Packages can also be built from source.

Not all code is written portable. Say, many things won't compile or won't work under PPC64.

MIPS64 is not a very common architecture today. We know XOrg, FVWM and Emacs will probably work, so I expect this thing to be usable for many things. But not just as good as Linux on amd64.

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I can get an AMD 7800X3D, a b650 mobo, and 32Gb of DDR5 RAM for $500 right now in a bundle from my local Microcenter. I bought that exact bundle for like $425 a few months ago when I rebuilt my gaming PC because they happened to have some other sale running that stacked with the bundle price. Gimme a modern x64 processor and DDR5 RAM I know will feasibly last me like 10 years for a few extra bucks any day.

[–] JoMomma@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why not? Those CPUs got perfect scores on Red Star OS.

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Gonna party like it's 1999...

[–] jamyang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

More importantly, Winnie approved!

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Does it run Linux?

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[–] fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you're out of luck there. For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU. Also AMD's AM5 platform is DDR5 while this Chinese CPU and mobo combo is DDR4. $373 is a ridiculously non competitive price.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Who the fuck uses Windows 11?!

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Me 😢

I have a critical work app that will not run in wine or with proton.

I’ve even contacted the devs and they suggested trying to run the android version on Linux, but it doesn’t work either.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have several for work that will likely never work in Linux.

So those have a nice little VM they sit on, which has been stripped bare of the nonsense. Remote desktop access enabled, and I can do what I need whenever.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That’s pretty interesting, but it’s a meeting software. So I’m regularly sharing my screen and sharing files. So I need to be in the os. I’ll just key checking it every time a roster counts out for proton or the app I use.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's crazy, most meeting software I've seen is cross platform and have web clients.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I know, it’s exactly how I feel about the situation.

They are going to release a new version with monetization soon. Maybe that will be a big .0 release and maybe there will be a Linux version.

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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The majority of businesses and a lot of consumers. 46% of steam users. Few years it'll be the majority.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

46, goddamn

[–] Weslee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I do, I've been trying to get off it and onto Bazzite but I tried to do a test run by installing it on my laptop before my pc and the boot loader won't pick up the usb 😔

I don't feel comfortable doing it on my pc without first seeing it work, so it seems I'm stuck on windows

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[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No Intel Management Engine though.

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[–] exanime@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you're out of luck there.

That's a feature lol

For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU

Really? I'm actually asking because I don't think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price. Also, we'd need to confirm the specs and performance. So far it would be just speculation

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago

Really? I’m actually asking because I don’t think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price.

Without even trying... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/msJQ6D

This is not even the lowest you can go, as I wouldn't get an A620 mobo. Also not a recommendation, just first three components I found.

BTW, afaik this is a MIPS CPU, with proprietary ISA. Who would want this other than the Chinese government exactly?

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Give us some links for combo of motherboard, CPU and fan. I assume it needs a fan.

[–] fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Here:

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-RyzenTM-6-Core-Mortar-Motherboard/dp/B0C1P856RB/

https://www.amazon.com/PCCOOLER-Paladin-Nickel-Plated-Anti-oxidant-Protective/dp/B0CN66YDXT/

CPU + Mobo combo plus a CPU cooler which adds up to about $381.40 which is $8 more than Chinese CPU + mobo combo. I think that's close enough to be within the margin of price fluctuations. That AM5 mobo comes with four memory slots, PCIe 4.0, USB 3.2 and Wifi 6E. Those features may be worth extra $8 for some.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Might be helpful to have this hardware if you want to develop malware targeting systems in China.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A few years from now we may be seeing US tariffs on these just like EVs today.

China is developing fast and it took US trade war seriously.

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[–] amanda@aggregatet.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think that is what they mean by “which is a bit like MIPS or RISC-V.“

[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It is. Originally they were a MIPS-like, then they licensed it and became MIPS-compatible, then they extended it into their own instruction set.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Toes@ani.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm having a hard time finding a bullet point list of all it's features.

Some articles are telling me it's a match for Haswell others are telling me it has AVX2. None of them seem that reliable. Do you happen to know?

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)
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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why would anyone want this? Maybe they are forcing Chinese nationals to buy them and inflate their popularity as a product for Papa CCP.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

They probably sell them dirt cheap domestically, no need for coercion

[–] OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could be for devs? China's long term goal is to wean itself off western software and hardware.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Speaking strictly in the US, which is what this article is about.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

US has plenty of open source devs and they need access to hardware to test their software.

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