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[–] igorlogius@lemmy.world 212 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 139 points 1 year ago (6 children)

A private vpn is an oxymoron. Since you tunnel all your data to some server.

Google and privacy is an oxymoron.

"Google private vpn" would be a mega oxymoron.

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Not really. What if it's your VPN? Mine allows me access to my home network, which is its primary focus, but it also obfuscates what my phone is doing online, and blocks trackers.

(Adguard home and wireguard)

It also lets me use my phone on 4chan... so there's that.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Commercial services have tainted the word for sure.

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[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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[–] tonytins@pawb.social 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And it'll be gone in two years.

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

That long? Make your bets folks!

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, they'll bake it into Chrome, thus controlling all advertising.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh sure. Use the company known for mining the fuck out of personal data to protect my personal data from being mined.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 56 points 1 year ago

This is actually really useful if you want to be tracked more by google

[–] Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

This is funny. Please pipe ALL of your online activities through us. We won't spy, gather, sell, or snitch.

Get fucked.

[–] jherazob@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm thinking of the target user for this: For us here it's a really unfunny joke. For the people wanting to do "non-kosher" stuff like watching streaming for other countries or even outright pirating i don't think Google's gonna have their back. People trying to hide their identity while doing compromising stuff (like anything sexual or identity related, not illegal but not something they want in public) hopefully know not to trust Google on this. And corporate users already have their own corporate VPNs, don't think they're aiming for those (yet).

Who the fuck is left as potential user? My only conclusion is the terminally gullible. I see no other option. And since of course there's a sucker born every minute it'll have millions of users...

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It can be easy to forget when you run in these techy circles - There are alot of people whose entire knowledge/existence of the internet is entirely isolated within Facebook. They get a new phone, install Facebook, and never leave. Any web use is via the inbuilt browser.

That's the most extreme, but beyond that is the same but anything non Facebook is exclusively Google. They don't even know that you could have a non-Gmail email account. LOADS of people have never owned a PC now, they grew up on a smartphone and android (or istuff) is literally their only comprehension of the web.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The point of a VPN is to protect your privacy. Google is the last company I would trust to do that.

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[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Damn, people here really misunderstand the threat surface. The Google VPN is just fine for staying safe from things like rogue wifi hotspots and even Stingray devices to some extent. It's also makes it much harder for your ISP to data mine your web activity. Obviously if you have an Android device using Google services, Google already has access to pretty much any information they might get from the VPN service. If you are de-Googled, then obviously you'd never use this.

For the vast majority of people, privacy should be what happens outside of your curated public image. Everyone has a public image. If you try to be completely dark all the time, chances are you will slip up and just end up in an even worse position because you don't understand when or how you've lost control. This is counterintelligence 101. Real first day stuff, but so many of the 'pop-security' influencers on the internet struggle with it, because they don't have any practical CI training. However, having a public image doesn't mean you cede all control to every observer. Obviously there are many choices for VPNs, but for everyday use, this VPN Google bundles with various other products is generally high quality.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There are quite simply better services out there, why defend a mega corp? You said it yourself they will sell every fucking byte of data, VPNs aren’t hard to figure out especially these days with ezpz UX.

Truly fuck this service, it’s not like it’s the only one with low barrier of entry, it provides some security but by nature dissolves privacy. You also can’t shift your location at all so it’s even less useful

Mullvad for example is easy as FUCK is super cheap (google one vpn is essentially the same pricing model for basic, $2 diff, the difference being mullvad doesn’t limit your data like google one does!!!!) and performative, as well as anonymous, no account or bullshit, plays nice with their simple-as-fuck default user apps or with others like WireGuard for more config

WHY use an inferior service that fucks you? Especially as it limits amount of data whereas mulvad doesn’t.

It’s worse in every fucking way

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[–] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 37 points 1 year ago

lol hard pass.

[–] RobotToaster@infosec.pub 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A google VPN sounds as sus as huggies condoms.

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[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No fucking way will Google EVER be my VPN.

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[–] tkarika@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They want to make sure noone else can steal your data..

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[–] TooMuchVanced@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is nothing new It has existed for 3 years now.

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[–] jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

if we're being honest this is probably just as good for privacy as most popular vpns (sooo not much and over advertising how much they protect you)

they did release a white paper on how the service works if you trust it's what they're actually doing. https://one.google.com/about/vpn/howitworks

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[–] Syrup@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That would be like hiring professional bank robbers with a long string of hits to provide security for a bank.

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

I'm just upvoting all the "lol", "lmfao" and "hahaha" comments.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They really do think we are all fucking idiots, don't they?

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So long as the majority doesn't know any better, it's profitable.

looks at my Pixel 6

Well, now I feel dumb.

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[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Most people browse with Chrome and possibly with Google's DNS, so this really doesn't make any difference from a privacy standpoint.

[–] minishoemaze@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hasn't this been around for a while? I've had the option on my phone since last year. And while Google isn't exactly trustworthy, it's better than some of the shadier free options out there.

It's fast and it's accessible for non-techy people. Certainly better than using an unsecured network with no protection at all.

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[–] epyon22@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've had one for quite a while. My original Google pixel had the option to enable when on unknown wifi ie coffee shops and such. While it provides no value and even negative value for you guys here I can see how it'd be useful for places where you don't trust the network you are on. But that also means you have to trust Google 🤣

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[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Anyone that actually puts their trust in this deserves whatever happens to them

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[–] scala@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

How about we start getting paid for all the information they steal.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Imagine trusting a corrupt mega corp lmao

[–] whodoctor11@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[–] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This has been around for years.

[–] admin@lemmy.mohammadodeh.com 14 points 1 year ago
[–] exi@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm super confused by the FUD spread in nearly every comment here.

Pretty much every argument boils down to "we don't trust google does what they say", which is funny because I'd like to challenge anyone to provide evidence that google actually sells any of your data. They sell advertising slots that they promise will find the right people, but your data never leaves google. No advertiser gets to see it.

This VPN service promises and has been independently audited to never log or analyze your traffic and even has built in provisions to anonymize your traffic within Google so they can't reconstruct it.

So apart from the questionable assumption that google is blatantly lying, what's the argument here? Apart from maybe missing some popular VPN Features like country selection.

Also this is for people that already pay for Google storage anyways, so I don't see the problem for the intended target audience, it's sticky an improvement in privacy for them and they get it for free. It sure as hell beats getting your traffic intercepted and ads injected into random http pages like some ISPs do.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Bruh, I can go to cybersecurity school, study it for a lifetime, audit this service myself, find that it does anonymise and does everything right, and STILL refuse to use it, simply because this just isn't who you get a VPN service from.

You don't buy your meat from the town gravekeeper, atleast not as long as there are other butchers, and especially not if the meat comes cheap.

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[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

Google is an ad company first, and everything else later. There are countless examples of them pushing tracking technologies that nobody wants - AMP, FLOC/Privacy sandbox, manifest v3 to kill adblockers. The list is just too long. At this point, any argument in favor of Google is just astroturfing.

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