Yes, I bought a Pixel 6 specifically to run GrapheneOS. I can proudly say that every single app on my phone is open source, no GSM and no Google. I don't really mind paying a company like Google for the phone, I just don't want to hand them my data.
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Yup same here. Two profiles, one is my daily driver and open source, they other is for the few apps I need with Google services. This is the perfect compromise between what I want, and what I need.
Sounds neat. But what all the services that require proprietary app? Like banking, Uber, reviews on Google Maps etc.?
you can use web apps for banking, uber
although uber and most banking apps work on grapheneos, check this community verified list https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
for reviews, you can use gmaps webview https://f-droid.org/packages/us.spotco.maps/
for navigation maps, you can use openstreetmap like magic earth and organic maps
if you think osm doesn't have enough data of your area, then you can use herewego maps, its another proprietary map, but is a bit better than google on privacy
The only thing I personally use out of all these is online banking and I do that from my PC at home. For reviews on Google maps I could theoretically just use it in my browser.
Yes, I'd rather fuck around with custom ROMs than endure the user-hostile crapware that most vendors bundle. I'd also rather try to make an app work despite safety net or whatever not passing out of the box than not have any defenses against the dumb bullshit software vendors put in their apps. I'd rather go back to a feature phone than live with a walled garden full of spyware and ads.
CyanogenMod user since the 6.x days, currently running LineageOS 20.
I like my phones to work and be usable. I stayed on the stock ROM for my OnePlus 8T for 2 years and went right back to LineageOS.
Manufacturers just can't make ROMs that work correctly without bullshit.
I have a lineage phone I keep on dial and I was using graphene OS for a minute but
The thing is that I live by my phone. Passwords, banking, pretty much the entirety of my actual life daily. I think graphene OS is great! But I also don't have time or a the ability to have an AI review the codebase to validate that what I'm putting on my phone is safe. The truth is that these are unpaid strangers making a great product who's work Im not a subject matter expert in. Android is a large codebase. I'm friends with a guy who works on it full time and even he feels lost sometimes. So I reversed my phone back to stock Android for my daily driver.
If I'm doing better financially in a few months I'll likely buy another pixel phone or try fair phone with graphene. I just can't justify the purchase right now and my phone works fine.
Just a reminder if you like these projects, donate to them!. I dropped about $1000 on open source stuff over the last year to include joplin, EFF, vueJS, graphene, lineage, and quasarJS. Every one of them does great work.
Been running CalyxOS for 3 years. Compile it myself from source with some extra tweaks and such. I've even got a nice build server going that automatically compiles builds monthly and pushes updates to my phone via OTAs. It was a little work to get set up, but now it doesn't feel any different from the stock Android experience.
It started because I was tired of all the unchecked spying Google does, and I wanted to get away from that. But now I can never go back to "regular" Android, because the vendor bloat in "stock" ROMs is incessant, and I am maintaining patches for quite a few features Google has either removed, or never supported in the first place (2-button navigation, AM/PM clock, automatic call recording).
Honestly, there hasn't been any drawbacks. The phone works perfectly, calls are fine, it runs great, and I haven't needed Google Play Services for basically anything. My banking app still works. I don't use Google Pay so I don't really care that it doesn't work. Android wearOS doesn't work, but at this point Google has dropped the ball so severely, I don't have the motivation to bother with a smartwatch.
Most of my paid apps continue to work without patches, and I get them from Aurora Store. For the ones that don't work, I just patch them myself to remove the license checks. I paid for them, so I should be able to use them regardless of what ROM I use.
Damn dude, self compiling with your own OTAs is rad as hell. Kudos to you for getting and keeping that running.
Thanks! But I can't take all the credit. Calyx maintains the OTA updater and it's very configurable. Just change the domain name, make sure your webserver has all the right files, and you're off!
Yes, running crDroid on my Redmi Note 10 Pro
Works for me without any issues and I even got the banking apps to work using magisk delta
Magisk Delta? Been away from the custom ROM scene for too long now, is Magisk Cloak no longer a thing?
not anymore....
i used to screw around with custom ROMs all the time. mostly AOKP and cyanogenmod... but then phones started getting picky about rooting... things like camera stopped working or not working to full capabilities...
also i was installIing "[NEWEST SHINY] KERNEL 4.1.1 (L33T SCHEDULER, FASTEST PERFORMANCE!!!111)" like every week, but that got really tiring.
edit: i just noticed AOKP is dead... so sad. anyone know what happened?
I used to muck around with custom roms in the early 2010s, but at some point the Galaxy UI stopped bring horrible and I needed my phone to be available at all times, that's when I stopped.
Sadly not anymore because I need my banking apps to work reliably. Making them work isn't the biggest problem, but I'll never know when an update blindsides me and breaks something.
On a sidenote, I'd really like to know why banks think that an ancient phone that hasn't seen a security update in years is somehow more secure than an up-to-date Lineage or GrapheneOS.
I run GrapheneOS without any Google Play Services. I don't want to be locked into any software and I selfhost all my backups except having encrypted backups in one cloud provider for very important things to keep them off-site.
Most of the things people generally would consider drawbacks like lack of google assistant, chrome, play store, youtube etc. I consider to be a positive thing. I am in mostly full control of permissions and I have a siloed work user when I do need to access Slack and other apps for company use.
Oneplus 7 Pro + Crdroid 9.5 + Magisk + LSPosed and my safetynet is green Google pay / bank app work and L1 DRM certificate work for netflix/prime...
I was rom hopping like crazy on my Xiaomi phone trying to get the perfect privacy setup. Eventually I got tired of microG's lack of compatibility and the serious security issues rooting and leaving the bootloader unlocked caused so I sold the Xiaomi and got a Pixel to run GrapheneOS on. Best decision ever. GrapheneOS is freaking awesome. Secure and private, and all my apps just works. It's so stable, muuuuch better than stock. I think I've found my endgame and I'm never using any other custom ROM again.
I'm using Evolution X because MIUI just sucks and my phone won't be updated to android 13 anyway. The drawbacks are banking apps of course and the fact that i could lose my internal storage data if i forget to flash disable forced encryption.
I'm running lineage OS on my moto one 5g ace. Main reason was to upgrade it to the most recent version of android, since it wasn't getting any updates beyond 11. No drawbacks here, haven't run into any bugs or anything. But I'm also not a power user or anything, just trying to extend the life of my phone
GrapheneOS on Pixel 6a
Yes. They're just better on a budget device like mine.
I daily drive a custom ROM with (sandboxed) gapps (currently crdroid, but also spark os, cherish os, voltage and others). I also have a tablet (old galaxy tab A) running lineage without gapps, which I use for reading ebooks.
I can't imagine returning to stock roms. The inconsistencies, various hacks, apps not respecting your settings and privacy invading software. What a nightmare!
Lineage 18 on my bacon!
Daily driving it
Just upgraded to a Zenfone 10 so running OOB for now, it's close enough to stock for me.
Before that, I extended the lifespan of my OnePlus 5 to 6 years by running custom ROMs. Most recently I was running PixelExperience and had a really great time. I used to care a lot about customization, but PE had sensible defaults and I didn't feel the need to customize a whole lot.
Worst part about running unmodified stock is that I'm not rooted any more. It's been bugging me less than I'd imagined, but there are some things (like backups) that simply won't work anymore...
Yes, AlphaDroid (Android 13)
Honestly the names mean almost nothing, custom ROMs with new names come out all the time and get discontinued all the time. Just need to find the stable one for your specific device and with the features you want. I use custom ROMs mainly because I get much better battery life and performance compared to stock ROMs which are bloated and slow in my case.
The drawback is mainly you should be tech savvy and be willing to do trial and error/tinkering a lot. But once you find a good ROM you'll probably stay a long time and if the dev is good you'll get consistent updates.
There's also the banking apps problem some people have. With most new ROMs these days, banking apps should work out of the box. Now if you root your phone that's what apps try to detect but it's pretty easy to get around after research (again tinkering). It's a cat and mouse game. If they change something you'll have to update your method of hiding root or Magisk. At the moment I'm using banking apps just fine without them detecting root.
VoidUI (not de googled) because:
- the main reason is so I can keep using my phone beyond the official SW support period, I would be stuck on A10 if I stayed with stock
- The phone started to feel a little bit slow after 2 years
- Unlocked some of the performance that was left on the table with more to be unlocked!
- No bloatware
The drawbacks:
- The camera experience is orders of magnitude worse
- Goodbye iris scanner :'(
- Goodbye S-Pen features
- Goodbye Samsung notes
- Goodbye to the much better split screen and floating window implementation
I'm using a Google Pixel and for awhile I was using stock, mostly just because after having custom roms on my previous devices I didn't want to have to deal with trying to get apps to work, I was building my unofficial lineage to get some tweaks I wanted. However I'm back to using Lineage again.
No, for the same reasons as another commentator said: I don't want to be locked out of a Safety Net-enabled app when I need it. Ran with LineageOS back in the day though, and it was a really nice experience.
Yeah, I use Lineage on a Pixel 5 since I switched back from an iPhone a few months ago. My intention was to run Graphene or Calyx, but I can't get wifi calling working without gapps installed, even with Graphene's sandboxed play services and the dialer. I think ATT Prepaid is using the new wifi calling negotiation that Google implemented in Android 12. I have zero coverage from any carrier for miles around me, so wifi calling is pretty critical. So I installed mindthegapps, enabled wifi calling, and then disabled all the Google stuff again. I didn't want root, so I'm not too thrilled with this situation.
I'll be switching to T-Mobile/Mint or Verizon/US Mobile in the next few months, so I'll try again then. But I'm seriously considering getting a Light Phone. Then I'll use a Pixel Tablet with Graphene/Calyx and a Garmin Fenix for handling music, calendar/email, hike mapping, browsing/media while lounging, maybe a work account, etc. I'm also considering just limiting the software footprint on the Pixel, but.. that's too easy to override on a whim.
Another option is a Unihertz Jelly Star, so the screen is too small to do much. I'd really like Spotify in the car, and mostly just my downloaded daily/weekly playlists since I have such limited cell coverage. I'm not entirely sure if the Fenix can play to the head unit over Bluetooth.
I suspect the decades of infinite scroll is destroying my attention span and already limited emotional response, which is combining with my autism to put me in a place of pretty much near constant burnout. That leaves me on the cusp of meltdown at all times, it's not a good place to be. Luckily reddit gave me an excuse to do what I'd been leaning towards for over a year, and there isn't such an overload of content over here yet.
I do not, mostly because I've gotten busier and I use mine for work, which requires me to pass safety net and I really don't feel like arguing with compliance.
Pixel 6 Pro here
LineageOS, withoutgooglwe play services the drawbacks are some apps don't have a notification support (some have that live 24/7 notification to make it work, but most don't have that).
Picked LineageOS for the privacy features and how easy it is to run commands (I literally just had to copy and paste commands, one at a time, no hiccups)
Also on LineageOS but I am on the MicroG build that emulates google play services.
Yep, LineageOS 20 ON A onePlus Nord N200 with no gapps installed at all.
i run Lineage because 4 years ago i had enough of all the tracking and switched off and deleted my google account completely. I also deted Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, etc accounts in the same time period. I really cant see any drawbacjs to running Lineage the way i do.
Thanks to Treble I'm using LineageOS. My device, a Redmi Note 10, doesn't officially have the ROM, and for my use case the GSI version is good enough
Nope. Pixel 6 Pro.
No.
On my current phone, no, because I want to be able to use Google Wallet and pay with it. On my old phones yes I unlock bootloader and install some kind of custom ROM to play with them.
yes, grapheneos on pixel 7
I think custom Roms respects us a lot more than stock is which treats us like product
I would, if not for a combination of a few factors:
Firstly, I currently own an S22 that can't be unlocked, but I'm loathe to trade away a perfectly good phone so soon.
Secondly, Pixels (which seem to be the best supported in the custom ROM scene?) are still kinda shit hardware wise. At minimum they need a proper ultrasonic fingerprint sensor before I consider switching.
And finally, I don't have a strong enough motivation to switch.
I'm concerned about my privacy, yes, but at the same time I really don't do anything interesting with my phone. Most of my computation happens locally on my Linux desktop, far out of reach of any prying eyes.
And it's not like they can use what little information they can harvest for anything, since all my devices are juiced to the gills with adblockers.