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So many cool posts about #emacs recently but I am not sure the microblog UI is the best for them. Ideally, I wish we could group AP actors to announce any activity by a certain hashtag, so they could (mastodon.communick.com)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by raphael@mastodon.communick.com to c/emacs
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So many cool posts about #emacs recently but I am not sure the microblog UI is the best for them. Ideally, I wish we could group AP actors to announce any activity by a certain hashtag, so they could become posts in something like #lemmy instead.

In the meantime, how do I get more of this emacs conversation on @emacs ?

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[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I remain skeptical that the microblog format is beneficial for anything much, except for the self feeding logic that people use it, so therefore it becomes a place to discover things.

Discussion is limited and stunted, with negative feedback only be of the form of posts. Systems without negative feedback cannot be stable. Facebook groups have the same problem and it's one of the reasons its geographical groups descend to toxicity.

On the one hand the Lemmy/Reddit style is better, but I'm pessimistic Lemmy has the ability to survive the manipulations that grow with popularity. Both are best in their backwaters that avoid bot/shill or authoritarian enshittification.

[–] raphael@mastodon.communick.com 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@sping

What do you mean "by negative feedback only in the form of posts"? Do you mean "you can not downvote a post"?

[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes - the only way to express disagreement is to compose a post.

[This is particularly bad on Facebook where an account is typically public with your real name, so reactionary blowhards spout their shit and the only possible resistance is from people willing to publish a statement against them. I find it ironic that (in my opinion) their requirement against anonymity significantly adds to the level of toxicity. But that's Facebook and Facebook should die.]

Superficially it could be argued this is beneficial, as you have to have thoughtful reasoned discussion, or something, but in reality when I see something I think is wrong-headed or toxic, I just have a dread of getting sucked into trying to fix "someone is wrong on the internet", and move on leaving them unchallenged with no sign of disapproval or disagreement, and I'm pretty sure my reaction is typical.

I find it interesting that, in my opinion, negativity (downvoting) and anonymity are actually positives for healthy discussion, contrary to many people's opinions and a common contemporary cultural view that only positivity is helpful.

[–] raphael@mastodon.communick.com 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@sping

Your whole premise falls short for one reason: you can *dislike* a post on microblogging UI. Reaction emojis are a thing. How is a bunch of thumb-downs different from a bunch of downvotes?

[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago

I had no idea you could do that - I was thinking of Mastodon. I don't see that as an option and don't see any emojis on posts there. Where do you have in mind?

It would weaken my point, but there is no algorithmic weight attached to it. You can't sort by how many negative emojis are attached.

[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy should allow cross posting from anywhere on fedi

[–] rglullis 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The problem here is not with Lemmy per se. The problem is that all ActivityPub software that it's being built is just trying to replicate the functionality of the "traditional" social media counterpart.

Mastodon apes Twitter, Lemmy apes Reddit... We claim that they "interoperate" but in reality AP is just used as a translation layer so that both services can just deal with their own abstraction.

That is a waste. We should have AP as the core abstraction, and the apps should just be some different shell to browse around the data. The "emacs actor" that wants to announce every note tagged #emacs should be able to do so automatically, without having to have a person chasing the author to say "hey, can you please share/post this on Lemmy?"

When we reach that point, then I'd say we have "real interop". So far, it is just a toy.

/rant

[–] neblem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You described how a.Gup.ee groups work - if you mention them they announce the post.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to get Lemmy to subscribe to any. I would guess that they look like people actors not group actors causing the issue.