Python

He's not being run out of the project... yet. This is not a good direction, though. This comes across as the first link that'll show up in a github gist of "What happened to Python?" in a few years. Hopefully not and it's all just an automod mixup, but after the Tim Peters btfo, I know what I'd put my money on.

Well, in fairness imagine if Guido did become a racist sexist arsehole. I don't think he should be immune.

But clearly this situation is not right.

I may be too far from Python to tell, but it looks kind of incorrect to equate the author and their product. What if Guido decides to stop contributing, will Python end then? Creators of Rust spoken about the fact that Rust went very much not the way they wanted it to, this doesn't make them not creators, nor does it make Rust not Rust

"Dismissing unacceptable behavior of others as a 'neurodivergent' trait, which is problematic because it creates a stereotype that neurodivergent people are hard to interact with and need special treatment.

I'll show you how difficult it is to work with neurodivergent people!

/* SLAMS BAN HAMMER /*

this was definitely a case of the CoC people getting annoyed with someone who disagreed with them and wouldn’t give up

People suck. If someone is disagreeing with you and won't give up, it's time to reevaluate why you're defending your position so vehemently.

I think that's a little too simplistic. I definitely agree that "we can't show you the evidence of why we made this decision but trust us" isn't going to instill confidence in the community, but it's not like the steering council is some unrelated board of executives. They're all core developers, theoretically chosen for their dedication and contributions to Python as a whole, and it seems their granted power has made them anxious about showing favoritism among the most seasoned at the expense of upholding the community guidelines that keep the Python community a positive and welcoming place.

I think a flawed decision was made, or at least the way it was presented was flawed, and that should be considered for the next election. Maybe the council does need to be totally overhauled, that's a valid position. But this is their work, too, and imply they have no skin in the game is disingenuous.

Interesting perspective. It implies that:

1. The value of their policy work is significantly below the technical community's contributions value
2. There is perceived status to be gained by climbing this particular social ladder.

I neither agree or disagree fully, but I believe there is value in good governance of large and diverse projects.

Whether their governance is good is what this whole kerfuffle is all about.

Probably an automod or something. It mentioned a banned user, which sounds like something an automoderator would auto-remove (i.e. people making alts or something to complain about bans).

The simplest explanation is that an automod action was triggered on the word "banned," and then a mod manually reinstated it. Until I hear further, that's what I'm going to assume happened.

I already helped build a language Monte based on Python and E. Guido isn't invited, because he doesn't understand capabilities; I've had dinner with him before, and he's a nice guy but not really deep into theory.