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Do you think that the "Boeing debacle" will change what is taught in MBA programs ? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 months ago by Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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From what I understand, a big part of what's happening with Boeing, is that Boeing is run by Business person who want to maximize return of stock-owner rather than by people wanting to make a good product. The gained flexibility/nicer budget from massive sub-contracting led to "loss of knowledge", and cutting-down quality control steps which "never catch anything" led to issue being missed-out.

Do you think that MBA program will take this reality into account ? or would they keep focusing on maximizing short-term profit even if it jeopardize the company's future ?

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Absolutely not.

If they learn anything from this, it will be to better find the boundaries of what kind of grift they can or can't get away with. The criminals will get smarter and barely a slap on the wrist. Worst case scenario, an entirely new flock of shitbirds will replace them and keep doing the same or worse.

As long as no one at the top goes to jail or completely personally bankrupt, there is 0 incentive for the system to change in the slightest.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

hahahahahahaahahaha

Edit: Rather than being full snark (it was a genuinely funny question though), I'll give a more thoughtful answer. The reason the answer is no, is because MBAs tend to attract narcissistic sociopaths. And the first thing they do in this situation, is blame someone else, not the degree, but the specific person.

"If only he was a better MBA he would have kept the company focused on its core values". That sort of thing.

The thing a degree that's held by the majority of Narcissists and Sociopaths in the world absolutely won't do, is inflect.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is a very uninformed response that seems to be based on nothing more than "I don't like business people."

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This was literally an "Ask Lemmy" question, which pulls on individual personal experience for responses, so I'm not sure what else you would have been expecting.

I work with MBAs all day every day. Nonstop. They're the vast majority of my touchpoints as a lifelong software engineer/DBA that manages several teams. I've been in the industry for 25+ years and have worked for multiple large (enterprise tier) medium, and small (startup) companies across multiple states including owning my own consulting company and interfaced directly with C-types that held nothing but MBAs.

So, not uninformed, but it is anecdotal. In the sense that this matches my life experience for 25+ years of working closely with MBA types on hundreds of projects during that time. Someone else might have different experiences. But I'm here answering their question so I'm going to talk about my experiences.

There's plenty of MBA holders that are pragmatic and "normal". However, at the top level, MBAs either attract, or turn people into narcissistic sociopaths, because the majority of narcissistic sociopaths I know and have worked with, hold MBAs.

Take from that what you will.

Edit: Apparently he took away a downvote. Getting a sneaking suspicion this guy might have an MBA. :) Not sure why you're downvoting my life experiences, but sure guy. You win.