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US woman died after abortion ban delayed her medical care: report (www.france24.com)
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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 month ago (5 children)

In Texas today - I was at work talking to other women coworkers. One had just moved here from up north and was telling a story about recently thinking she needed a pregnancy test and almost went to buy one.

No..no no no…we told her. She was confused. We told her the horror stories and said no period tracking apps, get someone else to get your test for you, and tell no one. Then decide what you need to do but don’t google shit about it. And don’t text anyone. And no FB messenger.

She was horrified - she didn’t know it was that bad. She didn’t know about the case of the abusive guy suing his ex’s friends for helping her to get an abortion & escape the relationship. We sent a link.

She didn’t know they’re looking at passing a law to make it illegal to cross state lines to get an abortion. We sent a link.

We said you’re from another state where this is legal. If you think you need one, you’re going home to visit your family and you don’t say anything else.

She said any one of us were welcome to go and “visit her family” whenever we needed.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hey - just want to say thank you and you’re amazing. I truly appreciate this.

I am set up with the things you mentioned, and I plan to educate my coworker who really isn’t.

I do have a couple of questions pertaining to this on other things related to this, and I’ll DM you, but of something were to come up in the future it’s always nice to have another tool in my belt. Again, very many thanks! <3

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Keep on keepin on, there's resources and mutual aid. We're all in this soup sandwich together. I'll keep an ear out the screen door for ya.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As someone with experience in the digital security field, I'm replying here for if you have additional questions, just in case.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Thank you so much, I truly do appreciate it. <3

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I'm so sorry that it's come to this. That is horrifying.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

This story REEKS of FREEDOM!

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

For the kids amirite

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 44 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Control over women is the point. Their deaths do not matter to these people.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the whole point of having so many kids. More parishioners to work in the fields to fill the coffers and if a few die no worries we'll make new ones.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And is also a plus side of the “controlling women” argument - if they have a fuck ton of kids and don’t work, they don’t have many options if they ever decide to leave.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yup, it's why they're against no fault divorce as well.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

U.S. Sharia law be wilin

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Their deaths do not matter to these people.

It's going to be women who spearhead the work to overturn these bans. Republicans don't give a flying fuck about children being murdered in schools; the deaths of those "slutty sinful evil babykilling whores" ^but\ not\ me,\ I'm\ a\ good\ person\ who\ needed\ my\ abortion!^ isn't going to make them change their minds. Remember: to a Republican, any fact which doesn't conform to their worldview (like abortion bans increasing the number of dead women, or comprehensive sex ed and easy-to-access birth control reduces abortions) is just simply wrong.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

Power over others is a core value of the hierarchical belief structure of conservatism.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 1 month ago

Right? After people actually died as a consequence of this law, the governor's office is still dismissing concerns. Outrageous.

ProPublica asked the governor’s office on Friday to respond to cases of denied care, including the two abortion-related deaths, and whether its exceptions were adequate. Spokesperson Garrison Douglas said they were clear and gave doctors the power to act in medical emergencies. He returned to the state’s previous argument, describing ProPublica’s reporting as a “fear-mongering campaign.”

How is it fear-mongering once actual people have actually died?

[–] hissingmeerkat@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago

Justice Alito claimed that he and the court foresaw the legal and actual consequences of their decision and what impact it would have on state laws, existing and otherwise. He chose this. He chose to kill somebody by taking away their rights, and now he has.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Her family should sue the state of Georgia.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Her family would be justified in becoming partisans against the Georgia state government. This was murder by inaction, and it was mandated by the state, because the political faction in charge of Georgia have aligned themselves with the Nationalist Christians, who have an imaginary friend that told them that this sort of medical procedure is not allowed.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 month ago

They have an imaginary friend who they say told them that this kind of medical procedure is not allowed.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds like a whole slew of manslaughter charges should start to be filled against every Georgia rep that supported this. As well as the Supreme Court judges who claimed they completely understood the consequences of their actions.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Also should be thrown into an asylum, since they're doing it for "religious purposes".

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

As conservatives cheer.

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What's really fucked is that this is france24. American outlets should be all over this.

[–] binomialchicken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

It was in the New York Times and ProPublica. Others are probably just getting to it.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

France24 is citing a ProPublica story. It's still absolutely chilling to know Europeans are hearing about us in the same way we heard about Ireland.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

The ProPublica Report that this piece cites has more information

fucking heartbreaking. brian kemp, drumpf, samuel alito, clarence thomas, john roberts and the three Trump appointees — neil gorsuch, brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett have blood on their hands.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are we gonna see Trump and Vance seething with range about woman dying now or are we back to not giving a shit about women?

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well you see, it was the state that let her die. That's what everyone wanted all along!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

You joke but that would be their defense. "We live in a Republic and that's what the voters representatives have chosen." Blithely ignoring that they've made great efforts to make sure the people can't choose the representatives they actually want.

[–] FarFarAway@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Bet they use this case as reason to ban abortion pills instead.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The American government will care about this about as much as they care about American citizens who are killed in Palestine.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

State government. This isn't a federal matter since the supreme court was hijacked.

[–] shani66@ani.social 4 points 1 month ago

they'll care even less. Hell, some state governments might actively celebrate something like this.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

Details. My point is that the people who should care don’t give a shit.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Hold republicans accountable for the people their murdering laws kill.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Pro Life!

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

So according to Donny T at the debate, she was just suicidal.