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Boomers: have more kids! we need the workforce
Boomers: all those taxes that made our families possible - nah fuck that. Keep the minimum wage locked for 15 years.
this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2024
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You used to be able to buy an entire house, pay the mortgage, support a small family, and still have minimal left over. One salary. Companies used to reward loyalty more than they do so you didn't need to job hop to get anywhere. Universities were affordable, like you could work any job and pay for the semester from that.
Someone more familiar with the economic conditions correct me if I am wrong. Boomers could afford to live because venture capitalists weren't extracting all the value from the economy to buy yachts.
15 more years.
Also Boomers, "Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage."
And yet, the person who created literally said it was.
Boomers are the most selfish generation 🤷♂️
Many people my age have terrible boomer parents who just had kids because "that's just what you do". They didn't even consider you could just not make babies.
Maybe we just think more for ourselves than the older generation.
pretty sure that's why I exist.
Yep. My parents let me know why a burden my existence was at all possible times. They would leave me and my brother home alone (aged 8 and 5) after until bedtime. I have no idea what they were doing because work ended three hours ago. We lived off ritz crackers and easy to make food.
The teachers would tell us to shut up and be grateful we had a home when we talked about being hungry. Back in the 80’s you didn’t get free/reduced lunches. You were just a kid who forgot their lunch money for the 100th day in a row because you are a stupid piece of shit.
The 80’s were wild. No idea how Boomers got away with so much child abuse.
Right??? My siblings have an 18 year span, I'll be 38 when the youngest graduates highschool. I feel like I already have kids, I'm doing so much emotional and financial support for these ones
We won't have kids because, despite doing everything right, despite working hard, we're struggling with finances. Kids wouldn't be affordable without an extra job, and most of work two already!
This, but also if it’s this bad for me, why would I create more people to partake?
I have some kids and it’s incredibly bittersweet listening to them talk about the little art and music they create. They talk about painting pictures and making songs, being able to live in a nice house while doing that for a living.
Nope, have to be STEM, a nurse, a teacher, or learn a trade, kiddo. All those other degrees are fucking worthless and won’t get you a decent job.
Teacher isn't going to make them much money and most don't last more than 6 years.
Depends on the district. Most public school teachers in blue states and suburbs make a decent living.
I live in a blue district and the teachers make just barely a living wage, so not great.
For starting pay? The teachers on every district around me make 75k+ a year once they finish five years and get their required master’s. When they get their masters +40 looking at low six figures.
I don’t even live in a big city. People need to look at the entire pay scale and not just that first year.
The point is that not everyone lives where you do.
Avocados > Children
Why not both? Makes for a delightful breakfast
The real reason. Mmm avocados.
When we grew up wondering how we would address overpopulation, impoverishment wasn't something we had in mind.
it's by design
Seems like a side effect of unchecked greed instead. If it were properly designed people would be able to afford enough bread and circuses to stay complacent
If it gets bad enough, birth rates will go up. Developed countries typically have lower birth rates than undeveloped countries.
Developed countries typically have lower birth rates than undeveloped countries.
That is more to do with education and women's liberation (including contraception), than finances. Which I suspect is still the predominant reason that birth rates are dropping, with finances just a secondary reason.
For me it's the climate - no point in bringing a child in a world with a society that will inevitably collapse and a possible world war over land that's still inhabitable.
Adoption maybe - but for me more children only equal more future suffering - and if not for my children because it'll be somehow possible to shield them from the worst then for a couple of others that have to suffer in exchange when western countries pull up the drawbridge and let the global south deal with the mess they made for those countries...
I guess we'll all just be childless cat ladies.
I’m a millennial… aren’t we a bit old for this shit anyway?
We're going to be retiring soon, some of the older millennials, and they're still going to be telling us to have more kids lol.
As a Class of 2000, aka OG Millennial, wtf are you talking about?
We're in our early 40s.
That’s what I’m saying! Too old. Did you know the medical term for a pregnancy after 35 is geriatric pregnancy? Ya bro, we’re getting committed to the old folks home soon here, you and I.
Old folks home playing nothing but My Chemical Romance and Dr Dre + Eminem
Not having kids is one of the biggest middle fingers to the capitalist machine. Take away their wage slaves and lets see how much good their money will do the rich.
All these conspiracy theories about how the elites want to reduce the world population have always been nonsense. If you look, all the most vocal ones have been promoting population growth and when you look at history, downward population trends have only increased the common person's rights. They want a surplus of people so we fight amongst ourselves.
Maybe if our leaders created a society more conducive to having kids more people would have them.
This is concerning. Especially people telling poor people to not have kids. Are we just gonna take it and accept that the joy of being a parent and having children should only be a right bestowed on the wealthy? Poor people are stuck in a financial fuck loop that they will never escape, having children is the only joy some people will experience in this fucked up system
Edit: it's crazy how many people have been brainwashed into accepting this roundabout eugenics and telling poor people they aren't entitled to children
I'm going to counter with 2 distilled, oversimplified thoughts:
Happiness is a choice; most people can find a way to be happy in their lives with what they have.
People shouldn't have children mainly to experience joy, be complete, or just because. That's fucked up. I know people will fluff out a number of reasons if challenged, but I think you nailed it, and I think more than a few people have kids just to have kids.
All I'm hearing is neuter the poor people
Also, *gestures wildly around themself* look at the state the world is in. Which sane person would want to bring a child into this fucked up world?
Well, you and similar people know the world is fucked up, but there's a lot more people out there swimming in the ignorance of simply believing everything is fine or that the people raising problems are catastrophising and that everything will somehow work out.
Those people will keep having kids even if basically every sign pointed to the certainty of that kid's life ending early during some kind of traumatic existential struggle.
There's just a percentage of society who simply don't put in much thought beyond their immediate existence and future. That's almost definitely bad in the grand scheme of things, but I guess on the flip side, they potentially live happier lives in ignorance before getting blipped out of existence.
I mean, 50% of humanity doesn't have an inner monologue- they're essentially just moving from one impulse to another.
Half of everyone. There's no chance for this species without radical change.
For god's sake -- people who don't hear their own voice in their own head are "just moving from one impulse to another"? People require an inner monologue, as opposed to seeing things in their imagination or what have you, in order to be capable of conscious thought? Are we seriously at the point where we're saying "anyone who doesn't experience the world the same way I do is no better than an animal"?